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Barnsley 1 - Burnley 0


Saturday 5th January 2013 @3pm Kick-Off

Attendance: 5,091

FA Cup Exit in Usual Oakwell Rubbish!

In a dire game at Oakwell, Burnley went down 1-0 to a less than impressive Barnsley team who now progress to the fourth round of the FA Cup. The Tykes might have found things more difficult had Burnley not been reduced to ten men following the sending-off of Brain Stock for a second yellow offence in the 36th minute and indeed the Clarets held on until the 85th minute before an error by Brian Jensen allowed substitute Barnsley youngster, Danny Rose to snatch the winner . This was certainly a game to forget, and despite being down to ten men better things would have been expected of the Clarets in a match which had very little action. The truth is Burnley had virtually no attempts on goal in a niggly match that did little to raise the spirits of Clarets fans. This was such a disappointing performance after the highs of Hillsborough on New Year`s Day and once again the result raised doubts regarding consistency and the ability to string two back-to-back wins together even against a side struggling at the foot of the Championship table. We can make excuses that through injury we missed a number of players such as Austin. Mee, Paterson and McCann but then the Tykes too put together a makeshift team having lost the on-loan services of Marcus Tudgay (also injured) and Jonathan Greening who have now both returned to their parent club, Nottingham Forest. Leading goal-scorer, Craig Davies too was also absent from the eighteen amidst rumours he is about to join Championship rivals, Bolton Wanderers. The only bright spot for the Clarets seemed to be the introduction of debutant Dane Richards from the bench in the 68th minute; for a time the Clarets looked a lot livelier but that soon evaporated. We simply have to quickly forget this game, take Stock (except we won`t have him for the next game) and move on, hoping we can get back to winning ways in the Championship when we face Crystal Palace in a tricky home game against the third-placed club next Saturday.

Team Sheet

It was obvious that we would be without Charlie Austin (gluteal/hamstring) and Ben Mee (medial knee ligament) for this clash and in the end Martin Paterson (thigh)and Chris McCann (hamstring) also remained sidelined following their injuries picked up in the previous game at Hillsborough. There was however better news for Dean Marney who returned to the starting eleven after missing out altogether against Sheffield Wednesday due to a thigh injury and Junior Stanislas also made a return after being named on the bench. He had missed the last three games due to a hamstring problem. Brian Jensen was also given out a run out in goal for the first time since the Carling Cup defeat away to Swindon last September. New winger, Dane Richards who only officially signed for the club on the 1st January and who had only just received international clearance was also drafted into the eighteen being one of the seven substitutes. In the end then we lined up 4-1-4-1 with Brian Stock in the holding role. Ings played on the right flank, Treacy out left with Wallace and Marney in the middle supporting Sam Vokes alone up front. The full line-up was as follows :

Jensen, Trippier, Duff, Shackell, Lafferty, Stock, Treacy, Wallace, Marney, Ings, Vokes

Subs: Grant, Edgar, O'Neill, Stanislas, Bartley, Fletcher, Richards

Full Match Report

It was perhaps surprisingly a warm, balmy day in Barnsley more reminiscent of spring than winter as Jason Shackell led his team onto the pitch in their blue away strip. The sun though would have little effect in raising the spirits of either team. Wigan referee, Paul Tierney got the game underway, the match soon deteriorating into a pretty scrappy affair with little action at either end. Even comeback kid, Keith Treacy, the hero at Hillsborough could do little to get the Clarets moving into fourth gear. The first 20 minutes passed with few attempts on goal at either end and a dire, stalemate looked to be on the cards for most of the first-half. The game deteriorated into a niggly game and was quickly becoming a massive yawn. Burnley had a chance in the eighth minute when Ings snook in from the right and charged down the middle through the heart of the Tykes defence before setting up Sam Vokes. Vokes though on the left side of the area got his angles all wrong and his shot curled past the keeper, Luke Steele only to fly just wide of the far post. A Wallace free kick from the left flank led to Duff heading over the bar before Wallace himself forced the Tykes keeper into saving his deflected cross underneath the crossbar. If Burnley were creating few chances, Barnsley were creating even fewer! Harewood had been quiet for most of the first-half but he was then involved in a controversial booking. The incident involved Brian Stock off-the-ball and both finished up with a yellow card. Both players appeared to fall out as the home side lined up a free-kick and in the end the referee decided to penalise both players even though Sean Dyche seemed pretty sure, Stock had been the innocent party. In isolation, it was just one of those bookings but for Stock the significance became clear when he picked up a second-yellow card for a blatant foul and was sent off with eight minutes to go after tugging O`Brien`s shirt just as he was about to line up a shot. With Burnley now down to ten men the home side sensed blood. David Perkins hit a shot from distance that curled just over the bar and then with seconds of the first-half remaining Scott Golbourne was ideally placed on the left side of the box but made a hash of his shot blazing it over the bar much to the relief of the Clarets!

Burnley now had to regroup and Dyche made the decision to replace Treacy with Edgar for the start of the second-half. The Clarets though continued to huff and puff without creating any chances and it was Barnsley who looked the most likely to score. Just 90 seconds from the restart, Stephen Dawson had a glorious opportunity to give the Tykes the lead. He picked up the ball on the edge of the box following a half-cleared corner but he miscued his effort and it bobbled away off-target. Dawson then had another chance which he fluffed 10 minutes later following some methodical Tykes build-up play down the left flank. Burnley attacks were few and far between with Sam Vokes now looking extremely isolated alone up front. On the hour mark though Vokes flicked on an Ings kick to find Wallace who cut the ball back to the Welshman. His shot though from just inside the area flew wide of target and the deadlock remained. It was now time for Dyche to introduce a fresh pair of legs so on came pacy winger, Dane Richards to make his debut with Wallace being the man replaced after 68 minutes. The Jamaican international was soon in the action too immediately winning a corner after sprinting down the right flank to liven up a Burnley contingent of over 1300 fans almost asleep with boredom! The winger was ready to impress again a few minutes later after this time charging through the middle before being tackled as he was about to line up a shot. It was the Oakwell curse that struck four minutes from time though just as it looked like a replay at Turf Moor might be on the cards. Brian Jensen was sadly to blame after misjudging a Scott Golbourne attempt that was more hopeful than accurate. The hapless keeper could only tip the ball onto the face of the crossbar before it fell nicely for substitute, Danny Rose to thump the ball into the roof of the net from six yards out to send the Clarets crashing out of the FA Cup at the third-round stage for the second season running. A game to quickly forget and one I already have! Let`s return to the more serious aim of trying to get promotion! Bring on the Palace at home next Saturday and consign this mess of a cup tie to the dustbin of history!

Match Stats

Barnsley: Steele, Dawson, Cranie, McNulty, Perkins, Golbourne, Kennedy (Cywka-67), O`Brien, Stones, Harewood (Noble-Lazarus-85), Dagnall (Rose-82)

Subs Not Used: Alnwick, Foster, Etuhu, Hassell

Goals: Rose 85

Booked: Yellow Cards for Harewood (24 mins) and McNulty (87 minutes)

Burnley: Jensen, Trippier, Duff (Bartley-83), Shackell, Lafferty, Stock, Treacy (Edgar-46), Wallace (Richards-68), Marney, Ings, Vokes

Subs Not Used: Grant, O'Neill, Stanislas, Fletcher

Booked: Yellow Card for Stock (24 mins) and then sent off for second yellow on 36 minutes. Yellow card for Marney (84 mins)

Possession: 49% Barnsley, 51% Burnley (Source: BBC Sport)

Ref: Paul Tierney (Wigan)

Star Player

This was a torrid performance with the team struggling to string together any meaningful attacks all afternoon including the first 36 minutes of the game when they still had eleven men! Brian Jensen blotted his copybook late on with a mistake that gave the Tykes their winning goal. The defence after losing Stock did pretty well to hold on for so long without conceding but the midfield was ineffective. Sam Vokes tried his best but got little service. The loss of Stock effectively killed off our chances and we had to batten down the hatches to survive. Not a pretty site! Only debutant Dane Richards seemed to liven up proceedings when he came on from the bench with just over 20 minutes to play and even that soon fizzled out and all the effort was virtually killed off when the Tykes got their goal with five minutes to go. There is really nobody who would warrant the 'Star Player` award so I won`t give one! It would be hard to find anybody who would rate more than 5 out of 10 in this match!

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Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday January 5 2013

Time: 9:46PM

Your Comments

When you see the goal you will realise what a howler it was, ten man Burnley away from home defended well for 59 minutes. 1400 of us gave it a good shout at cheering on the team. It would have been a good team clean sheet given the sending off and Lafferty played well too. Sad end to the Beasts Burnley career?
It does look like it Vin. The Beast has been a great servant and I suspect that he will be hailed as a modern day Turf Moor legend. However, every player moves on at some stage and that time surely cannot be too far away now for Jensen. It can't be much fun sitting on the bench every week - though it is probably easier when your backside is as big as his!
A sad end to the Beasts last game for Burnley. Hopefully. a complete howler that cost us a replay after a good defensive though poor attacking performance.
I'll try again. Having nearly completed this post 15 mins ago, Vital Server froze my entire browser graphics for the second time in 24 hours... Poor old goalies. Their mistakes are so massively magnified. Was was Beast's howler the only mistake that cost us the game? Set aside the fact that refs can never be perfect and their decisions are final. But why on earth did Stock pulla shirt when on a yellow, however bizarre the first one was? That was, like Beast's, a very very bad error of judgement. Anywy, thanks, tmp, for responding to my earlier expression of concern (on a thread now frozen) about complex new ads seeming to occasionally overpower the Vital sever, and for sharing the advice that Vital HQ says we have to live with them to keep the site going. Is it fair to ask if Vital publish accounts? Can we see whether it's indeed a matter of 'keeping going' and not a matter of underinvestment? I'd also like to comment on the bet365 ad that's particulalry irritating in the way that it forces you to look at it by opening its own page and blocking all else till you shut it. I don't want to be puritanical about gambling, but interacting with bookies should be something you choose to do, not are forced to do. That said all credit to bookie Denise Coates who has become Britain's most sucessful self-made businesswoman in building bet365 up, and who has brought 1,900 jobs to a derelict area of Stoke, and who puts 6million a year of bet365 profits into the Potters, who I used to watch a fair bit as a kid and have a soft spot for. Finally, sorry you don't like Cup games tmp. Like many others, I still enjoy how, unlike the league, they pitch us all in it together and involve such an overt element of luck... like life, you may not like it what luck throws at you, but my advice is to get on and embrace it.
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Further to the above post, comparing Beast's error of judgement with Stocky's, I forgot to say about bet365 that I have heard that they pay their corporaton tax in the UK, whereas Ladbroke's and William Hill do the usual legal (but according to our PM 'immoral') things that Amazon, Google and Stabucks get up to, and send their profits to some other nation's tax coffers.
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I have read a match report on another site and it is much closer to the game I watched than this report on what was heard on Clarets Player. Sure, it wasn't great but neither was Leicester at home etc etc etc and but for a total howler we would have kept a clean sheet with ten men.
I thought we did OK under the circumstances, but were let down by a keeper who dropped an absolute clanger. We would have cruised the replay. They will go down, in my opinion. Let's hope Zaha has gone before Saturday, as we will struggle....let's also hope Pato and McCann are in the squad!
Have to agree, Vin. The match report here bears little relation to the match I saw (see above.)
Clutching at straws? The report was based on texted comments I received from folk at the game and comments by similar fans who posted on twitterclarets after getting back from the game. I have to say they mirror the feeling I got from listening to Clarets Player. They have to put on a postive spin as much as they can being representatives of the club and even they admitted this was a dire game and a poor performance from the Clarets. Losing to Barnsley even with ten men; a side decimated further by the loss of three key players is not good let's face it. Barnsley have not had a victory at home since September and their last point was against, yes you guessed it Burnley! You can blame the Oakwell curse for some of it, but come on this was a shocking display! Bit of sour grapes going on here methinks because I am anti-Cup games, especially this sort. We needed a replay like a hole in the head whether we went on to win it or not [Edited by turfmanphil]
Some fans comments from #twitterclarets: 'Well that was predictably *****. Poor game, decided by an appropriately ***** goal. ' 'My thoughts on the defeat to Barnsley??? Standard. Don't win there. We were down to 10 men. That's how it goes.' 'Dire showing by Burnley today but no worse than Huddersfield away under Howe. We blow hot and cold and will do all season ' 'Oh well, at least Burnley can concentrate on the League now ' 'Today has cost me 35 altogether, travel, ticket, food. I didn't see one burnley shot on goal. Not happy ' 'So we lose to Barnsley in last 5 mins after having ten men since 36th min. we played poorly. Time to focus on league' 'Absolutely abysmal performance overall, pure disappointment ' 'No shots on target is unforgivable,no matter how poor a side you r or who you're playing.What happened to being entertained?' 'Not a single shot on target today. Garbage. ' 'That's just awful, i have to say.. Miserable performance today against the worst team in the Championship' Oh dear,oh dear!!
we have no server issues and our servers haven't froze!
I think CP might be referring to all the ads that keep popping up! It might have something to do with his PC since I am not affected so much apart from the annoyance of the pop-ups,unders whatever they are! It's not the first time, I have had complaints of this nature. I fully understand the importance of the advertising revenue and the need to have the ads in order to keep Vital alive financially. I just wonder though if some posters are being affected more than others due to older software, incorrect settings whatever What should we do, contact Vital IT about individual problems?
Oh yawn. Come on VFAdmin, don't blame it all on other people's PCs when you know nothing about them. My PC is powerful and new and had a comprehensive 6-month health check just before Xmas. I am experiencng no other problems currently though did have some on ClaretsPlayer in the autumn, when others were reporting similar.. and for me that was only when I also had VB open, and they listened, offered advice and I think they also made other changes. Anyway there are 2 issues, sorry make that 3. I'd forgotten about how the cursor has been very slow recently to respond to the mouse, as just happened, and doesn't happen on any other site. The others are that twice in 24 hours Vital has frozen my entire browser's graphics until I rebooted. Nothing else has done this, so even though Bband speed is not superfast here, it's adequate for everything else, and nothing else has had problems in this time. The third problem is other sites opening without me doing anything to request that, specifically a bookie's site, which raises moral ssues given that children presumably come on here. Advice on techincal issues are welcome. Blanket proclamations of Vital perfection, and which anyway responds to a comment that I did not make, push me further into wondering why, with these irrritating problems, I bother. Whatever happened to listening to customers? Or are we just unpaid workers?
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Glad Barnsey and I saw the game in a similar fashion. I could list negatives for every positive, its not hard. Lafferty played well, Trips gave his all, Vokes holds the ball well, Wallace was clearly giving his all, Marney is struggling, Treacy needs to keep improving, Richards gave you a smile. Sour Grapes? Why would I have sour grapes? I enoyed seeing Barnsey sell a WTBM to John B ( keep the change!), I enjoyed the singing of new and old songs, if supporting BFC is conditional on entertainment othe pitch its time to look for another club. I will stick with it.
You seem to be the only two? Never understand this desire to find positives from a game that sounded truly awful. I suppose if we play like this until the end of the season we can comfort ourselves with the same 'positives' can we? [Edited by turfmanphil]
I have to confess I haven't read tmp's match report yet, but I can back him on his claim that CPlyr more than once said it had been a very poor game.That said (a) I am far from convinced that Twitterers are representative of the total Claret fanbase, though I'll resist the temptation for now to analyse thier gtoup psychology (b) I agree with VR that most of us go to games for a range of reasons (c) I'd disagree with VR's view that the cup competetions have had their day. Listening to WHU/MU in a kitchen of Ars fans was compelling last night, especially when VP scored! 3rd Round Day is as much about celebrating the game when the expenditure hierarchies (aka leagues) are cast aside and you take your luck... and if your club's is bad there's a lot else going on to get your attention.
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I think #twitterclarets are more refined than certain other message boards I can mention! Some are calling for the head of Dyche on CM on the basis of that performance. Nobody, and certainly not me are saying that on VB! To me it was just a dreary, miserable cup game and don't really believe its worth much further discussion. Think we just forget it and move on as article above suggests! Then again we do need the hits..hahaha
Hope DT dont mind but I nicked his comments off another forum-Dave Thomas:What a ghastly game it was all round... there were times when we endeavoured to make Barnsley do a passable imitation of Barcelona.From the heights of Sheffield to the pits of this... and what a sad way to remember Jensen for sadly this is what he will be remembered for... not the heroics of 2008/09... such is the life of a goalkeeper...assuming this is his last game a horrible way to bow out... I wondered too if he lost it in the floodlights till the last minute... it was a ball that ballooned up three miles into the air and came down almost vertical...a nightmare to deal with... but he made a total horlicks of it. It had 0 - 0 all over it until his clanger and the back four were excellent... Vokes did his best... apart from that it was all 'orrible... Stock was having a 'mare of a game before he was sent off I kept thinking i wish we had their midfield number 11... the blonde haired lad who ran the show all over midfield
I completely disagree with DT that we will remember Brian Jensen for this mistake. I suspect he'll disagree with himself in something he writes before too long! What we say in the heat of the moment is ofen very diferent from what we say in different contexts. Changing the subject, but also sticking to it... I didn't say Twitter users were not refined. I said very clearly that I was declining to analyse their psychology. Having thought about it ore, if I am going to analyse anything it would be context and systems. By giving us greater opportunity to speak what first comes to mind, Twitter records something different from what we think later.But I really an't be bothered with this lousy cursor being half asleep. Meanwhilefabulous FA Cup drama in Swansea!
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Maybe I am too simple for my own good, I just take folks opinions at face value, and if they overwhelmingly say we played crap(including DT), I will tend to agree with them especially when the Voice of the Club on Clarets Player effectively say the same without the expletives!
We didnt play very well( particularly compared with SWFC) - but we had 10 men for about 50 minutes and we never looked in danger of conceding at all. It is disapointing to go out as Barnsley looked a very poor side. I thought our away support was very impressive. Regardless of the fact the first booking may have been mistaken identity - Stock should know better than to get a second yellow in that way.
Interesting that Swansea gaffer, Michael Laudrup is delighted to rescue a draw against Arsenal in the FA Cup BUT says a replay will stretch resources in a very busy January!!! Looks like another midtable Prem club being more concerned with progress in the Prem than the 'Mickey Mouse' FA Cup. More contempt??
Er... LAudrup says later in the article on this is that his concern is the 2-leg semi against chelski in the other cup.
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Oh yeah the other Cup, how well did Swindon do again?
I read this report and was amazed as I felt i had been at a different match. it was a very good defensive display with 10 men away from home with enough chances to win ourselves. i wondered about posting that straight away but have logged on this morning to find 3 others saying the same. Fair enough tmp not having gone but he has a cheek for then telling those 3 people that they were wrong. He has no right to say that without attending
Just also read that Dale agreed roughly with my scoring of the game. I have looked on Clarets Mad as tmp has said above on there the are calling for the head of SD. All I can find is a report that is balanced. We had injuries to key players, Austin, Mee, McCann and Pato, we put out a strong side from what was left, we weren't good, but we weren't battered even playing 10 v 11 and that deserves a bit of credit, just like the 1,400 of us that lived the FA Cup dream for another year.
I am only trying to advise the people criticising the match report that I have received far more texts and read far more complaints on other message boards as well as listening to the match on Clarets Player to convince myself this was a shocking performance based on their comments. Dave Thomas is no mug either! Please stop trying to make out I am the only one taking this stance. The #twitterclarets comments sum up how many felt so you will have to live with what seems to be the majority opinion by some distance. The only mistake I may have made in the article having read it again, is that I was not generous enough towards the back four who did well to hold on for so long. The rest I still stand by based on others comments including those on Clarets Player from club representatives trying to put on a positive spin and finding it very hard work! [Edited by turfmanphil]
Oh well look on the bright side at least we don't have to go to the great money-spinning KC Stadium again or maybe even Brisbane Rd!! 4th Round draw-Hull City/Leyton Orient v Barnsley
Can't find the appropriate anti-Dyche thread on CM now! It was a bit heated and rude so may have been pulled. I was alerted to it by a post on #twitterclarets which read-'Just had a quick look at Clarets Mad and Jesus,some people really have no perspective at all.Give the manager a chance.' By all accounts it's been going on for some time and there might be some earlier threads somewhere but I can't be arsed looking for them
Actually it looks like #twitterclarets may have been calling for his head as well! One post reads-'I don't think we should be Dyche Out-ing. Who else could we afford? He's given us more clean sheets than most Champ clubs. ' I don't think anyone on VB has gone that far yet! At least I hope not!
I am also puzzled by VRs statement 'Just also read that Dale agreed roughly with my scoring of the game' Thats true but VR failed to mention he only gave one player a score above 5/10(Lafferty 6/10). In fact 9 of the players were rated BELOW 5 so that seems in line with the majority opinion that this was a very poor performance or am I missing a trick?
Well I enjoyed FA Cup 3rd Round Long Weekend. Couldn't get to the game, but great action on telly and radio, plus lively debate on messageboards. Fantastic stuff for a Couch Potato. I'd like to say thank you to tmp for making me dig deep and realise how much I really like it! :-) I might even watch Cheltenham Toffees tonight!!!
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Your mad!! lol
This was not an exciting game by any stretch of the imagination. But to play 10 v 11 for the amount of time we did and never look in danger of losing indicates to me that the lads must have done something right.
Never looked in danger of winning it either by all accounts with most complaining they didn't even see a decent shot on goal Summed up really by ''Today has cost me 35 altogether, travel, ticket, food. I didn't see one burnley shot on goal. Not happy ' as posted by someone on #twitterclarets. That also refers I assume to the first 36 minutes when we had 11 men on the pitch!?
I agree Dale and anyone who has any knowledge of how I score games would have realised I am a very low scorer. Defeats in my scoring world do not rate 8 or 9 players getting 7 or 8 as how do you score victories? It wasn't an exciting game but it wasn't as poor a perfomance as some would make out. I think with that tmp can congratulate himself on hits he was striving for......sadly nobody on Vital other than me Dale, Barnsey, Minivr and Bolton Claret seem to have been at the game and we all seem to agree on what we saw....
Well said VR. But I agree not many chances to score although Vokes did a repeat of his Sheff Weds no contact sitter missing. If that had been a league match we would have been very happy with a point against 10 men and I was more than happy with what looked like being a replay-we didnt have to win it on the day. As ever tmp is not prepared to budge an inch despite evidence to contrary. Has anyone got a picture of a mule for the website?
Evidence to the contrary? Give me a break. Did I imagine those twitter comments, Dave Thomas's comments, the Clarets player comments? Did I imagine the texts from folk at the game? Get over it we were crap!! Is Claret Dale usually a low scorer? He agreed with yours VR?
Another interesting statistic which seems to suggest the FA Cup doesn't have much of a pull, is the relative gates at Oakwell this season. The Championship game back in November bearing in mind it was on a Tuesday night pulled in 8610 , 1047 of them Clarets. Saturday's FA Cup game pulled in just 5,091 (1396 Clarets). Hardly a ringing endorsement of cup fever?
The collapse in Barnsley attendance presumably has a lot to do with their slump in league form. How many would have gone if they'd been in a play-off position? 249 more Clarets went to the Sat Cup game than the midweek league game. Which means what? We seem to be debating at least 3 issues in a semi-muddled simultaneity (if there is such a word). First, does anyone care about the FA Cup? The answer seems to be definitely yes, given that people went, and then got upset when we went out. So I have to conclude that tmp's wrong, wrong, wrong on that one. Second, did we play badly? On this I conclude that tmp does have people who agree with him and people who don't. Third, did people who went think it was worth going? Again, I have to conclude that tmp does have some people who agree with him and some people who don't. My impartial judgement therefore is that everyone is guilty of being a Claret, and I condemn them all to arguing about the experience for the rest of their lives. I wish to bring two additional charges myself in that I am in a better mood today now that the cursor on VB is working in real time rather than on a 2 second delay as it was for me for most of the weekend. First, if the cursor is also working better when I get back home, I may have to divorce my wifi hub and replace it with a younger model. But I will probably remain unconvinced about whether or not VB's highly demanding adverts put some wider systems than their own servers under unnatural and unnecessary strain at times of high usage... and getting a diagnosis based on comparing like with like in the wide world of the web is harder than getting refs to be consistent. Second, given all of the above, I think it can be argued by any reasonable person that tmp's headline for this story exaggerated whatever badness there was in the performance and made no allowance for the bold efforts of the 9 and a half (with BJ's effort only counting as 50% at the death) to hang on. So I sentence tmp to having to carry on editing this site at our pleasure. If I had a jury to advise me, I would now dismiss them, but they'd probably be arguing even more than everyone else. Court closed?
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Well put Couch, I agree with that summary. A couple of seasons ago I went to a cup game away at Hartlepool, Penny played in goal and it was a shocker that we eventually won, but I enjoyed it. I love watching football, I loved seeing Bartley play Centre Back when we went 3 3 3 after they scored and the fans did sing randomly from start to finish Ginger Mourinho. I learn a lot from every game I watch, Lafferty proved he has serious potential etc etc. Life for me isn't about waiting for the storm to pass it's about learning to dance in the rain.........
I didn't say nobody cared about the FA Cup! It is clear though even if you only take the Burnley figures only 300 more or so felt obliged to go to a cup game on a reasonably nice Saturday afternoon compared with those that went on a cold,dark miserable Tuesday night of which I was one! That was bad enough that night, this one sounded far worse! You can make excuses for Barnsley fans team being in a predicament but in the end their gate was shocking. It will be interesting to see if Tykes fans now find the FA Cup a hindrance and a distraction as they try to survive the drop [Edited by turfmanphil]
I suppose tmp could mount an argument that he should get off on the technicality of only arguing, as copied here, with reference, that he didn't care about the Cup rather than anybody. "I won't lose any sleep if we lose GC and I suspect we would be beter focussing on the Champonship without the distraction of the FA Cup. The financial rewards of promotion are far greater and you have more chance of falling on banana skins or going out to the likes of QPR in the FA Cup than getting to play the really big clubs." Read more at: and in other places. But my decisions, like a ref's are final. Guilty, guilty, guilty.
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Oh, and in the words of the song, 'you can appeal to FIFA if you wnat to'.
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..and in contrast to VR in the last two seasons I have been to see Burnley scrape through some awful games in the Carling Cup. Burton, Barnet, MK Dons and this season, Plymouth! All of them dross in front of sub-5000 crowds ! Strangely enough I did not enjoy them one bit. I want to be entertained not pay good money to watch dire bollox like those games. Most of us wanted to go home and had to suffer extra time in a lot of those games. A masochist I am not but each to their own. [Edited by turfmanphil]
In fairness to TMP - I would not say I enjoyed watching the action on the pitch. As I have put above, it was not an exciting game and yes this does include the time we spent with 11 men. We were struggling to get going as an attacking force and I do not recall Luke Steele making a save all afternoon. However, being part of a football team ( as much as we would like it to be) is not just about playing exciting attacking football. Sometimes you have to grind out a result when you arent at your best. If with ten men we had tried to play expansive attacking football - this would have been ridiculous. The lads worked as a team and did more than just grind out a result. If it wasnt for the error from Jensen - we would have a replay and a decent chance of progressing. Saturday, although not exciting, showed me a bunch of lads working as a TEAM - something which is much improved since the arrival of Dyche.
I have to say Dale having re-read my article more than once, I don't know what all the fuss is about! It seems to be a fair reflection of what I was told, what I read and what I heard on Clarets Player. I have already said I perhaps should have been fairer on the defence which seems to negate BC's comment that quote, 'Im not prepared to budge an inch ' but heh ho at the end of the day they are just opinions! It might help if those criticising my Match Reports when I'm not at the game offered to write their own for the site but that rarely happens if at all!
F A Cup draw.Darn it could of played Hull just across the river bridge. from us.
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MK Dons was a bitterly cold day, Reading wasn't much better late goal killed us if memory serves me right. Maybe the fuss as you call it was about a willingness to believe twitter CM and anything that proved a point when in truth Couch is right. I also think for what its worth we played better as a team this time than the previous game where we drew.
Oh for heavens sake,REAL folk post on ClaretsMad, REAL folk post on Twitterclarets and last time I looked Dave Thomas was a REAL person! Phil Bird was pretty REAL on Clarets Player too! This was a dire, dull game and a poor performance by the Clarets..and so say all of them! Those were the views I took on board to write the article before anyone came on here bleating how wonderful they were. What is the problem? [Edited by turfmanphil]
I would suggest that two things have caused the debate, tmp, and here I'm trying to be very calm and logical, rather than make a point. First the personal vews expressed about the pointlessness or some such of the FA Cup in the pre-match article. Some probably agree with this, but others quite strongly don't, and feel that - after a bit of a slump for a few years in the Cup's fortunes - it's become almost an article of faith in the game to get back behind it. Even the big teams are playing strong line-ups again, and while some games were dross, as is the case in the league, week in, week out, others were fantastic and special enterainment. Second, the headline. I'd guess that some people looked at the headline, scanned the story and read the debate, while others read the headline and it subconsciously coloured what they read in the story to match the headline, regardless of what the story actually said. Read Kahnemann's Thinking, Fast and Slow which explains that this is how everyone's brain is prone to work at least as often as not, especially at a time of stress, such as a gut-wrenching loss following a blunder by a hero leting down a team backs to the wall effort. Anyway, here's the good news! My oldish wifi hub lives. My home Vitalcursor, just like my work one, is back in realtime. So, if my complaint to VitalFA has had some impact on that very significant and welcome improvement in performace, thank you.
Couch Potato
I am firmly convinced my anti-FA Cup stance is the ONLY reason I am getting this stick and why folk are trying to defend their love of it by dissing my report and trying to pretend this was a far better performance than it was even to the extent of saying they enjoyed it! In relation to the headline whilst agreeing it is equivocal the main point is the fact that we very rarely get anything at Oakwell and that's why its rubbish. 'Rubbish' or similar I have to confess also being a word used by many Clarets at this game to describe the performance and result except the handful on here it would seem with an hidden agenda. Again I fail to see, having also slighly amended the Star Player section to be a little fairer, what the problem with content actually is. There is nothing in the report that differs really from what others said about the game at the time I was writing the article. If folk want to continue dissing it then they have to state which particular bits they disagree with so I can more specifically defend the words
I am also not sure CP whether there is anything too critical in the article about the FA Cup and I suspect most of the dissing is based on my earlier comments. The only reference I can see to the FA Cup in the article is where I state that the Championship and promotion is a more serious aim which is just an opinion but surely one that most would accept. The financial rewards for getting promotion far outweigh what might be achieved by a good Cup run unless we somehow won the FA Cup and qualified for Europe which is highly unlikely. Even then I would prefer to be in the top fight than winning the Cup and stay in the Championship.
They are all at it! Luton Town's chief executive has said promotion to League Two is so important he would have swapped their FA Cup win over Wolves for three points at Woking. The Hatters upset the Championship side to earn a fourth-round tie at Norwich City, but lost 3-1 to Woking last week. "The league is by far the most important thing for us to focus on this season," Gary Sweet told BBC Look East
You know what they say about hatters. In this case, though, I suspect the CEO is being smart and making sure that the thrill and financial gain of the Cup is put aside for now so that his employees' minds are back to earth and focussed, one day at a time, on the next match. Where can we find his full quote? And if he ever writes an autobiography I'll bet he says that the win over Wolves was one of the greatest days of his life.
Couch Potato
No I suspect he means '"The league is by far the most important thing for us to focus on this season" So it should be considering that will bring in the greater financial reward if they achieve it. Having said that he does seem to be edging his bets if you read the full article which is on BBC Luton Town page.
tmp-we have not been "dissing" your article and we appreciate your efforts. I dont have the time to write articles myself though I'm afraid (although I'm sure you dont either!). My only point is you say we played badly whereas I thought we played better than average (and indeed allowing for 10 men I would go as far as to say very well and we were unlucky). My reaction was not based on anything to do with FA Cup popularity or otherwise. Rather I agree with CP regarding the headine setting the tone. I expected a headline about valiant defensive effort and being unlucky but instead saw the word rubbish which gobsmacked me. Then in the first paragraph words like "dire,less than impressive, such a disappointing performance, the only high spot" further set the tone. I just wasnt expecting that from a better than average performance. (I acknowledge the word dire was probably in respect of entertainment value rather than performance but it still creates an impression of overall rubbishness)
Everybody of course is entitled to their opinion, it just seems there has been some over-reaction to this article in particular. I don't think it's too far removed to be honest from the official report by the club. The writer calls the match "A dour tie" and goes on to say "Despite the sterling efforts of lone frontman Sam Vokes, the only other positive to take from a below-par display was the introduction of Jamaican winger Dane Richards' They say below par which doesn't sound like better than average? I have to say on Clarets Player, stronger words to describe this performance were used some of which I repeated in my article
Is it safe to play out yet? I've enjoyed watching this debate which, of course, just goes to show that we all see football differently. Even when all we do is hear it, or hear about it. Or for those of an older vintage watch it on Teletext or see the result in the Pink on a Saturday night. For what it's worth there are a couple of people on VB who often share similar views to me on the way a game has gone and, if I am not there to see it myself, they will be the ones whose views I look for first. That doesn't mean other opinions aren't valid, but I'm guessing we all prefer those who look at things in a similar fashion. I wasn't at the game on Saturday so can't really say what happened but, after watching football for over forty years, I can say without question that a team reduced to ten men for much of the game will have to dig out a performance to win it. It might not be entertaining but since when has football been 5-5 every week? That we only lost 1-0 suggests that it was a gritty enough effort but sadly it seems like we threw a goal in at the death and came away empty-handed. Such is life. No fan likes it when we lose - or at least they shouldn't do - but the beauty of football is that there is usually another game in a few days. Mind you, I won't be listening to the Palace fixture or any other game on Clarets Player as I find their coverage a little bit one-sided. Sorry to be controversial....but it's all about opinions.
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