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Bristol City 3 - Burnley 1

Ashton Gate

Saturday 5th November 2011 @3pm Kick-Off

Attendance: 12,187

Shooting Stars 3 Damp Squibs 1

On Saturday November 5th, Burnley returned from Ashton Gate needing a rocket up their proverbial after dismally and embarrassingly losing to second-from-bottom club, Bristol City 3-1. Keepng the Bonfire night analogy going, this performance confirmed there were no sparklers on display to enthuse about with any hopes of a spectacular display soon fizzling out after damp squib after damp squib failed to ignite.

It was of course tempting fate to mention before the match yesterday, the fact that Bristol City was the only team along with Bolton not to have won a home game so far this season The only consolation this morning is that Bolton & Owen Coyle are now carrying that torch alone unless they beat Stoke today at the Reebok.

This defeat follows on the back off the 3-1 loss to Leicester City at home on Tuesday night when another record fell after crowing we had not lost a night game in 28 league and cup matches, a record going back to December 2007. It has certainly been a miserable week for the Clarets after the highs of beating Blackpool at home and this defeat against the Robins means we slide down the table to 19th spot with just 18 points from 15 games.

The miserable result yesterday also means we will now go into the International break looking over our shoulder at the relegation drop-zone. It is now looming ever closer and handing three points on a plate to Bristol City allowed them to climb to third from bottom only five points behind the woeful Clarets albeit having played a game more.

These are desperate times for everybody at the club and if we continue being so consistently inconsistent our future could look bleak. On the evidence of the last two games, the worry is we become consistently poor and find ourselves in a relegation dog-fight. The question is who do we blame? Is it mainly the fault of the Board for their blatant underinvestment in players and determination to reduce the salary cap and squad size no matter what effect that has on our promotion or indeed survival chances? Could it be the manager, who is more-and-more being criticised for being inexperienced at this level and accused of making some strange tactical decisions? Indeed it might be both the Board and the manager we should criticise although to be honest the players too may have to look at themselves and question whether enough of them have the right mental attitude.

Our tactics certainly seemed wrong yesterday. Was it right to drop Amougou and move Mee back into the centre of defence just so we could accommodate a fit-again Easton at left back? The back four is crying out for experience but the most vocal, Michael Duff having recovered from injury was not even on the bench. The next best option was surely Amougou. Love him or hate him, he can chivvy up the back four and some have even suggested he should be captain despite those infamous Bikey moments! Wrong decision, Mr Howe to drop Amougou! It is as though the manager drops Amougou from the starting eleven at the first opportunity every time. It has been suggested by some fans that there is some friction between the two which would explain why Amougou always seems to get the short straw but that is surely wrong if we are dropping players that we need to provide some experience in the team. Yesterday`s result after yet another woeful display in defence proves the point.

You could also be critical about Howe`s tactics in terms of the formation too. No doubt mindful of Bristol City`s five men midfield, he elected to play Rodriguez out wide, put Wallace in the hole and leave Austin alone upfront. Everytime we have tried this sort of tactic, it has failed and failed miserably. Yesterday was no exception, so why do we keep trying it?

Bristol City dominated the first half and on the stroke of half-time took the lead with three minutes remaining. It was a killer blow really but one that once again exposed our sloppy defending. Debutant loan winger from Derby County, Stephen Pearson latched onto an Elliott header and unchallenged walked the ball into the net.

Clarets fans hopes though were raised just two minutes into the second half when we got the equaliser. It was that man Wallace again who scored to make it four in four games for the Scot. You have to go back six years for the last time a Clarets player managed to do that and it might surprise you to learn that it was Garreth O`Connor who was celebrating the achievement back then.

Bristol City though fought back after the goal and we never really looked like taking the lead. The chances of that evaporated in the 61st minute when Robins` substitute, Pitman who always seems to score against us made it 2-1 with our suspect defence once more having to take the blame after Maynard beat the offside trap. Maynard pulled back the ball but the Clarets were far too slow to react allowing Pearson to cross for Pitman inside the six yard box to thump the ball home.

It was curtains for the Clarets after the Robins increased their lead in the 73rd minute. Burnley`s gung ho attitude was punished again this time on the break. Bristol City counter-attacked at speed following a loose Wallace free-kick after Kilkenny pounced to find Adomah racing clear in acres of space. He shot home past Grant on the edge of the penalty area to make the final score 3-1 and give Eddie Howe a major headache ahead of the international break.

This performance and result is quite simply not good enough. We should not be giving away three points to a club that until yesterday had not won a home game and had only scored four goals at Ashton Gate all season. Quite simply these are worrying times and something will have to be done to try and rectify the situation. I just worry that once again we will sleepwalk into doing nothing and suffer the consequences.

Team Sheet

Brian Easton, having recovered from his hip injury rightly or wrongly made an immediate return to the starting eleven reclaiming his left back position. This meant that Ben Mee having deputised well at left back in the past two games would replace Amougou in his more favoured position of centre back. Amougou would have to be content with bench-warming with many Clarets fans simply wondering what he had done so wrong to deserve being dropped. Michael Duff, who had just returned to the sixteen after a long absence with a knee injury, would be the centre back to miss out completely.

There were no further team changes to the sixteen that had lost out at home to Leicester City in midweek so we lined up as follows:

Grant, Trippier, Mee, Edgar, Easton, Wallace, McCann, Bartley, Stanislas, Rodriguez, Austin

Subs: Stewart, Amougou, Marney, Treacy, Hines

Although the team selection had few changes to Tuesday night, the tactics and formation were certainly different. Rodriguez was playing a wider role with Austin alone up front and Wallace in the 'hole` behind him. Why oh why, I do not know!! This was a formula that had failed time-and-time again and was about to do so again.

Full Match Report

Lincolnshire referee, Gary Sutton took charge of this clash in only his third Championship game. You would have to go back to 2006 for the last time this referee was in charge of a match involving the Clarets. At least that day, we won beating Barnsley 4-2 at home with Gifton Noel Williams scoring a famous hat-trick. Would that be a good omen? Well there was some link to 'The Omen` with the number of Clarets fans making the journey to the South West totaling 666. It would certainly not turn out to be a good omen though despite Clarets fans hoping it would be as the game got underway on a pleasant if cold day in Bristol.

Bristol City had the first chance on goal only for the ever-dangerous Maynard at full-stretch to put the ball just wide of target. The Clarets were then in action at the other end with Jay Rodriguez coming close with an attempted shot.

Easton may not have been everybody`s choice at left back but he got in a crucial covering tackle early on to deny Adomah. The Robins striker was closing in on goal after latching onto a lofted ball from Kilkenny before Easton intervened to save the day.

It was now end-to-end stuff. Austin and Jay Rod linked well in a clever one-two but Rodriguez could not get enough on his attempted shot and David James pushed the ball round the post. Cole Skuse then denied Austin after getting in a last-ditch tackle. At the other end, Grant on 30 minutes got down to save well from Adomah and then moments later pulled off a superb block after spreading himself wide to deny Stephen Pearson.

Bristol City by now were beginning to get the upper hand and Grant was virtually keeping the Clarets in the game. He came to their rescue again after diving to his left to deny Marvin Elliott following an attempted low drive.

The Clarets did still have their moments though especially when Austin pounced on a mistake by Skuse. Trippier had put over a long ball which Skuse failed to deal with setting up Austin. However the former Swindon striker could only shoot just wide of target.

If the Clarets were hoping to go into the break all square, the Robins had other ideas and they finally made their domination count three minutes before half-time. Elliott headed the ball down from a McGivern cross allowing Pearson to get a touch and shepherd the ball into the bottom corner of the net.

Eddie Howe decided to make no changes for the start of the second-half despite the Robins having the lion`s share of possession in the first 45 minutes. Whether the tactic was the right thing to do or not was soon answered three minutes later when out-of-the-blue, the Clarets equalised. A poor clearance by McGivern allowed Trippier to pounce and put the Robins` back four under pressure. The ball fell to Stanislas, who had been somewhat quiet up to now. The former West Ham winger though set-up Wallace with a pass and the Scot with a left-footed shot from ten yards out cleverly floated the ball over James into the roof of the net.

For a time Burnley looked to be on the rampage and gradually began to play their best football of the afternoon. The Robins though were always a threat despite some pressure from the Clarets at the other end. Grant had to punch away a shot by Adomah before disaster struck for the Clarets just past the hour mark. It was typical that once again, it would be our woeful defence that would be left wanting. They were far too slow to realise the danger posed by a Maynard pass pulled back to find Adomah. This time he mis-cued but with the Clarets defence ball-watching, Pearson pounced and was allowed to cross the ball to find Pitman ideally placed in the danger area He had the simple task of ramming the ball home from inside the six-yard box to give the Robins a 2-1 lead.

The Clarets tried to hit back immediately but Rodriguez`s header flew straight at James. It was now time for Plan B. In the 71st minute, Eddie Howe decided to bring on Treacy in place of the lacklustre Stanislas in an effort to inject some pace into our attack. However before the former Preston winger had time to touch the ball we were 3-1 down!

How many times have we conceded on the break this season? Probably too many to count but we can now add another to that list. This time it all came from a cleared free-kick by Wallace. At breathtaking speed, Bristol City charged forward with Kilkenny spotting Adomah on a run. Picking up the ball, Adomah raced clear to shoot past Grant from the edge of the penalty area.

It was effectively game over, with the Clarets once more having embarrassing egg on their faces.

Jay Rodriguez tried to reduce the arrears four minutes later but his shooting accuracy once more deserted him and his low drive flew wide. One final attempt by Treacy came in injury time but James was equal to it and saved his thumping shot.

That was it, 3-1 to Bristol City and the end of a miserable week for Clarets fans and Burnley Football Club. We now have two weeks to reflect on the disappointment of the last two games with Eddie Howe in particular having some hard thinking to do. Somehow we have to come back stronger and more determined after the international break before confidence really plummets and we get ever closer to the bottom three! Oh great what a time to be facing Leeds United in our next game at home on Saturday 19th November.

Match Stats

Bristol City: James, Fontaine, Nyatanga, McGivern, Elliott, Kilkenny, Skuse, Bolasie (Pitman 54), Adomah, Pearson (Cisse 72), Maynard (Woolford 82),

Subs Not Used: Gerken, Wilson

Goals: Pearson 42, Pitman 61, Adomah 73

Booked: Yellow card for Pitman

Burnley: Grant, Trippier, Edgar, Mee, Easton, Wallace, McCann (Hines 79), Bartley (Marney 86), Stanislas (Treacy 71), Rodriguez, Austin

Subs Not Used: Stewart, Amougou

Goal: Wallace 47

Booked: Yellow cards for Edgar and Wallace

Possession: 51% Bristol City, 49% Burnley (Source: BBC Sport)

Ref: Gary Sutton (Lincolnshire)

Star Player

I refuse to give any of our players the award this week. This was quite simply a shocking performance with no player in my opinion rating more than about five out of ten. Stanislas was the biggest disappointment, he was virtually invisible for most of the first half and the only thing of note he did the entire match was set up Wallace to score. What has happened to Rodriguez too? He has not scored now in seven games and to be honest has looked under par for most of those matches with yesterday being no exception. Mind you why they keep trying him in wider roles is beyond me.

As for our defence, I don`t even think they are worthy of the name. What defence? If the club and Eddie Howe don`t do something quickly about our back four, it is going to be a torrid season for the Clarets if it isn`t already. Amougou is quite clearly out of favour with the manager despite probably being our best option at the moment. In many ways, we also need Michael Duff back in the centre, he might not be the world`s best defender but he can shout his way to victory and chivvy up the defence in no uncertain terms. If Howe is going to do neither then he simply has to stop making up excuses that he can`t find a better defender in the loan market.

The Journalist

Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday November 6 2011

Time: 11:43AM

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Fed up, really am! We fans don't deserve this! We pay good money to watch this tosh whilst the Board sleepwalk into doing bugger all about it. Howe better watch out too, his excuses are fast running out
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06/11/2011 11:47:00

Haha, burnley are so bad, there support is terrible as well!
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06/11/2011 13:39:00

Oh gawd thanks for that intellectual input!! (NOT!!)
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06/11/2011 14:13:00

Fella's this is a nightmare now. I have posted on here before about out lack of defensive option and the general quality of the side. I just don't understand why the management including the board think in a quality division like this think we can somehow soldier on with a defence like what we have! We seem to have the resources of a non league set up. What on earth is going on to the club I love???
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06/11/2011 14:42:00

They have simply lost the plot. I don't honestly think Kilby cares anymore. He has one eye on retirement after taking the flak for crass decisions made by Flood. As for John B, remind me again exactly what he does?
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06/11/2011 15:58:00

Blimey we go up a place to 18th on goal difference above Barnsley after the Tykes lose 2-0 at Brighton!!
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06/11/2011 17:54:00

A couple of pints doesn't even fix this one. As you say TMP the word inconsistent is up there in lights. I hate to say it but we do need Amougou. Reason being - he responds to a physical (if not skilled) front line well. Why split Austin and Jayrod up? I can't for the life in me see why. With those two lurking up front we seem to tie up at least 3 if not 4 defenders plus they have a useful habit of scoring. Hard to blame individuals - as a failure it was a team effort (maybe Grant was mostly OK).
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06/11/2011 21:38:00

With a weak back four you need a vocal keeper and one who can inspire rather than kick it high and wide into the dug outs. He didn't do much wrong but he could do so much more with a bit of coaching and good management. Jay is the player off form not Austin, so rest him and try Austin with Hines. Ferguson rotates even Rooney ffs so come on EH grow a pair and sort it out.
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06/11/2011 22:08:00

Ive watched and studied as a football coach our back four. Eddie howe on the bbc after thr BC game states the obvious we will have to tighten up at the back. If we have players who are not good enough how do you expect to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Tippier & Mee are good enough. we nee a quality left back. centre half , midfield quality holding man
Albmaleaf claret
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07/11/2011 08:30:00

I would like to see Duff and Amougou played together in the back four. They have the presence to intimidate the opposition and vocally motivate the team. If EH has issues with Andre he should forget them until he aquires an at least equally capable player. Up front our best pairing has been Jay Rod and Austin, play them in position and watch the goals go in. Easy for me but not for EH, his teams actually play.
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07/11/2011 08:33:00

We sort of agree on most of it. Howe do we fix the back line in the short term (long term = spend). Make Andre a permanent fixture and all that goes with that idea, give the others a lesson or two in working together, tell them to avoid clustering on the goal line or what?
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07/11/2011 11:35:00

Possibly worth saying that Bristol played really quite well. Doubt anyone will pay attention :-) but to continue to add some alternative opinions anyway, I have moved into the 'get rid' camp as far as Amougou is concerned. I'm with VR on rotating strikers, and add the example of how well van Persie has done lately coming off the bench. But, back to being controversial in the context of the present company (and probably in the context of the Longside lust for entertainment too) I would play 4-5-1 for a bit. Central midfield is where we lost those parts of the game that I could see from behing the Ashton Gate pillar. And Eddie's theory of this side having bags of goals in it isn't holding up with the way we're playing. Ross Wallace dwells on the ball too much.
Couch Potato
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07/11/2011 11:52:00

There is no simple answer. We need more options, at least loan defenders if not perm ones in Jan window. I would start by bringing Duff back AND making him captain. We need experience with someone animated enough to whip em into shape when things start going tits up. He might not be the best defender on the books but at the moment he is no worse than those in the back four getting regular games
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07/11/2011 11:56:00

Things must be bad. I am agreeing with tmp about Duff! You don't need to be Einstein or Freud to have worked out the relationship between Amougou, the manager and the rest of the team.
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07/11/2011 16:06:00

SUMMERY ......2 POINTS OFF RELEGATION !!!! Are we all starting to consider things might not quite be right? been harking on about the clubs finances and its ambitions since halfway through last season, the catastrophic decisions to part with key players has left us bereft of a group of players that play like a team, and has left us lacking in substance and experience we are really in trouble and anyone who thinks otherwise really needs to start following golf !! What are the words everyone gets sick of ...... the board lacks ambition !... some of you who once defended them, are stating to consider that this really could be the case trust me it absolutely is 100M quid and we are left with this ??? do me a favour
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07/11/2011 16:57:00

Hollins - We are 5 points from the relegation zone with a game in hand.
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07/11/2011 20:53:00

I think this is where Eddie needs to stamp some authority and command into this team. I don't know what has gone on with Andre but before he left the squad seemed to be playing good football. Too much inconsistency with performances and results screams leadership issues, I think Eddie needs to realise his mistake with handing the captaincy to McCann. A change will give the whole team a lift and a leader will emerge whether its Duff or in my opinion Beast, in the long term McCann will relax and focus on his own game which has been lacking. We really do need experienced players but think Eddie is being too stubborn with his age tactics or the board is being too stingy with the money. Either Way would Eddie stay if we were relegated? In the recent years of managers moving and lack of loyalty I would think not. I also agree with the sentiments about Kilby, if he has decided on departing how can his heart really be in it? I really hope whoever is making the decisions does not bury their heads in the sand and invests in the squad before it is too late!
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07/11/2011 22:37:00

Jimmy Adamson R.I.P
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08/11/2011 20:11:00

C D I trust you could be right, i stand corrected if wrong that's what comes of looking over peoples shoulders trying to read their papers! Yorkshire it's simple with Kilby, he really has no way out until the Floods court case is dealt with in July and if my personnel experiences with the banks has anything to go by he can delay issues as much as he wants (Flood) they will win in the end ! judges follow case law and statute that aint going to change for mr flood, if he loose his case, he will have to resign why dose that leave Kilby? If he is the messiah most talk about and where does that leave the club!! the club dosnt even own its own ground after having a 100M quid in payments over 5 years ?? they( the current board) are a total waste of space, there isnt a one of them with real balls ?
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09/11/2011 00:07:00

Yorshire you ask-"would Eddie stay if we were relegated?" No because if we got relegated he should of got the sacked.
Grimsby Claret
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09/11/2011 17:47:00

Have we got the wide players for 4-5-1 CP? I see your point in shoring things up but in my experience with BFC we then just lack any sort of threat up front - maybe clean sheets (if we sort the back 4 out) but no goals! Overall the current position is starting to look abit bleak and the scenario outlined by hollinsclaret leaves no room for optimism in a wider sense. Could be a long cold winter............
Essex Claret
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09/11/2011 22:09:00

Essex, I assume we need to accept Hollins's comments as a possible doomsday scenario rather than being a fully detailed account of all the possible things that may or may not happen. Flood may or may not lose his case. Losing it may or may not necessitate him stepping down. Who owns a ground may or may not matter. (Neither Chelseas FC nor Abrahamovitch own Stamford Bridge.) I don't know. It's a pity that greater clarity cannot be provided by the club, but they cannot speak on any matter due to go before a judge... who may or may not agree with Hollins, but who will certainly be aware of plenty of evidence of banks losing court cases.
Couch Potato
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10/11/2011 10:27:00

Hello fellas, Number 1 optimist here. I've totally recovered from the numbing experience at Ashton Gate and am now seriously looking forward to tonking Leeds United at the Turf. Defeat is not an option, otherwise my brother will make my life a misery (yep, Leeds Utd fan :-( This team can do it, make no mistake . It's just a case of finding that little bit extra , and putting it all together. We've seen it , and we'll see it again , starting a week Sat. Boll**s to all this negativity.
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10/11/2011 23:55:00

Welsh NONE of us delight the negative!, but painting your room a happy colour to cheer yourself up doesn't change anything, it is only when you start to look at the real problems that you can find the answers and make POSITIVE contributions towards a brighter future we are clarets together and we all ultimately want the same thing we just go about things in slightly different way bud
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11/11/2011 21:51:00

Aye HC, I don't pesonally think it should be called 'negative' when fans have genuine concerns about the club they fork out good money to see. Some seem to think that a positive glow and energy will simply resolve all our problems whilst some just don't even bother to speak up and go with the flow come what may. Problem is that sort of complacency simply keeps the bad things going and if we take our eye off the ball too much we might have another Orient waiting to happen in the years to come! Fans have to speak up, air their voice and let the folk running the club know when they are not happy otherwise trust me they will take us for granted and ride roughshod over us [Edited by turfmanphil]
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12/11/2011 09:16:00

Fair enough tmp and hc , but the other angle is that one where eventually all this negativity ends up in vocal chanting at games. And that, as we know from fairly recent events does the team no good whatsoever, quite the reverse in fact. Yes we pay our money, and we travel half way across the country and give up a complete Saturday on those days when we can get to games. And that is real pain in the ar*e when we end up watching a load of dross and then have to drive back so clearly nobody enjoys that! The point Id make is this. Does complaining on here, however justified it may be, make any difference at board level? I think not, but it could well help the groundswell that translates into terrace disapproval. I, like everybody else on here, would like to see the squad depth increased, and soon, but I dont think were at crisis point yet with this side. With the Jekyll and Hyde performances weve seen so far this season, it could easily go either way, and I still say that anything is possible, including play-offs. Brendan Flood was down at Ashton Gate seemingly unconcerned about the impending Court case thats in front of him , but never mind that for now, the point is that he travelled all the way down because he's a Claret himself, and he saw what we saw and he like us, had to drive back after it. And now were hearing from Eddie that hes looking to strengthen the squad, and soon, so lets wait and see how that pans out. Its way too soon to abandon ship and loose the faith at this stage. As you say hc, we all want the same in the end , and I hope it starts again when we tonk Leeds next Saturday. UTC
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12/11/2011 12:59:00

Excellent post Welsh-I agree 100% with all you say. We can see how damaging negativity spreading to chanting becomes eg Wolves the other week which was a disgrace
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12/11/2011 13:28:00

I draw the line at booing at matches,always have,always will! That's not the kind of negativity I am referring too! I am sick and tired to be honest though of some saying we can't grumble, we cant complain, we cant air our views! That's just bunkem. Let's just say I don't condone it but can fully see why some frustrated fans feel the need to vent their anger at games. Some don't have the luxury of being able to do it online! Surely everybody has their limit as to what they are prepared to accept and some will protest in different ways. We are all Clarets fans and it is the nature of football to be emotional and passionate. If you are not you may as well support Man U
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12/11/2011 14:46:00

Sorry WC, this squad is funadamentally flawed it would take a miracle to be anything other than midtable this season. Even achieving that will be job well done considering relegation is not beyond the realms of possibility either. Eddie Howe and the club even say it themselves, we are a squad in 'transition'. Transitional squads do not achieve promotion at their first attempt do they? If they did they wouldn't be transitional? How have we got to this ridiculous situation from needing just 2-3 players at the start of pre-season to becoming a squad in transition. Flood can go to as many games as he wants but until he releases the purse strings and takes the odd calculated risk our future looks bleak
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12/11/2011 14:56:00

Welsh / Bolton, I have never booed at Turf Moor, other than at the end of an odd game HOWEVER, if the boo boys stay quite who is too measure how unhappy a crowd is? further do you both feel displays from under performing directors, mangers and players should pass unchecked? Let me remind you these players earn in 2 games what around 50% of the population of this town earns in a year! fact, Fans have the right to be vocal, not maliciousness or vindictive but most defiantly should be able to make their feelings known, and if your taking the money its better they don't start whining when goings getting tuff.... UP YOUR GAME ! that's all they have to do and watch how fast 10 thousand fans start singing your name, lets be grown up about this guys, do a bad job and you'll get found out on the pitch equally do a good job and you will find a way to win friends and influence them
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12/11/2011 18:53:00

As for wondering if the directors read such posts, possibly not, does the theme on the notice boards sway opinions.... YES do these fans in turn project such emotion towards the directors box YES ! so these post most definitely impact the directors, directly or indirectly it matters not
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12/11/2011 18:58:00

I was not suggesting the editor would be one of the people transferring online negativity into him booing at the matches but others reading negative stuff do. To your possible next question of dont you believe our online readers make up their own minds and arent influenced by online negativity?-no I dont believe they ALL are
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12/11/2011 23:42:00

But the main point I identified with from Welsh's post was the Jekyll & Hyde one. If we were consistently crap week in week out then fair do slag them off and slag off the board but they arent. In a good number of matches they have showed signs of brilliance. In such situations confidence plays a massive part and they can go either way. As supporters it is our duty to roar them on, not moan at the first piece of bad luck as we have a massive role to play in this too as to which way the season turns
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12/11/2011 23:52:00

Well said Bolton , I rest my case m'lud . This has got legs, more to follow tomorrow :-)
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13/11/2011 00:32:00

I think you are confusing two things here. Supporting the team, which most fans would do at games come what may or having a pot at the gaffer and/ or Board for not ensuring they are doing everything they could to make us competitive. My argument is with the latter. We are going to win the odd game or two,of course we are, that is the nature of this league, but looking at all the games so far, we are clearly lacking in certain areas, most notably defence and let's face it on the evidence so far we are NOT promotion material and I believe we should be by now! Surely as fans, fans that pay out loads of to support the club it is also our duty to let those that run the club know when we are unhappy. Isn't that the point of customer service and people power which you find in all other walks of life?
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13/11/2011 09:35:00

I think that what they are saying is more about the nature of the wins (and the odd draw). Southampton, Forest and Blackpool would be three of the best examples. We moved the ball about, created chances and they had no simple remedy for the ease with which we did it. A few wins (I agree) are expected. I think Welsh and Bolton are talking about the brilliance that shone through and how to bring in more consistant team play. I'd say fans are important but as keeps being said we need leadership on the field. I don't think that any of the players that we unloaded had the necessary and I'm certain that EH is looking for exactly that (as a late Christmas present?) If he isn't then I'm joining the moaners.
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13/11/2011 20:44:00

Yes Andy you are correct. And I'm not saying people shouldnt express their dissatisfaction on here either. But its about balance. I'm saying the balance is often too much on the side of negativity which is probably because its normally the dissenters that have the loudest voices--human nature.
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14/11/2011 07:22:00

But surely you look at the situation as a whole not on the result of one or two games? Is not the balance bound to be on the side of those with doubts when the club is 18th from bottom just five points off the drop zone with clear problems in defence and with no sign of any new players? [Edited by turfmanphil]
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14/11/2011 09:02:00

All true TMP but with strong evidence that we have the makings of something much better than what the "numbers" are indicating. EH is building and he's far from done (I agree with everyone there I think). Lets stick with him and look to the "Window" for the next move - and if he can't get what he needs then the finger pointing could well be justified..
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14/11/2011 09:42:00

I do not have any problems with Howe at the moment, you can only work with the hand you have been dealt. Indeed the comings & goings in the January window, could well decide our fate and I just hope the Board don't start playing silly beggars again and refuse to pay for the quality we need. I do say again though that I do not believe we should be building and in transition at the moment. The timing with FIFA Fair Play and EPPP around the corner is all wrong and I just hope they don't live to regret the short-sighted decisions made these past three seasons.
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Possibly the crux of the debate is over whether the timing in the context of FIFAFP&EPPP is exactly right, as the Board presumably thinks, or exactly wrong, as tmp suggests. I doubt there's an easy answer, and would expect that the Board discussed how easy, or otherwise, it would have been to make adjustments they have now largely completed at the 11th hour instead, if they had spent bigger this season, and it had not had the desired effect? Anyone in town today for Jimmy's funeral? Perhaps another point to debate is whether we should be getting back to the basics that made us great in his era, adapting financial strategy to the opening years of the new century, or indeed whether that era is already now effectively over.
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