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Burnley 1 - Manchester City 6

Turf Moor

Saturday 3rd April 2010 @5:30pm Kick-Off

Attendance: 21,330

Clarets hit for Six in Rain of Terror

This match was over for the Clarets in the first 7 minutes with Manchester City storming out of the blocks and finding themselves 3-0 up before the Clarets had hardly had time to kick the ball. Goals by Adebayor, Bellamy and Tevez sent the shock waves around Turf Moor and the scene was set for an awful afternoon for Clarets fans. No club in the Premier League since 1993 had scored three goals so quickly and it was just the start of a rout that would see the Clarets 5-0 down at half-time. The day had started bright and hopeful but things now looked bleak and if to emphasize that the storm clouds gathered and the rain began to fall.

The fans were obviously not happy and there was certainly a fair bit of booing aimed at Laws as they walked to the dressing room at half-time in torrential rain. Some had even walked out after just 20 minutes. Yes, the dark clouds had gathered in more ways than one and during the break it bucketed down with puddles appearing all over the pitch.

Laws made two changes for the start of the second half, not that anybody really cared anymore. Blake was replaced by Paterson and Jack Cork came on for the lacklustre McDonald. The tactics seemed to work for a time and there was a danger Burnley might even get a goal back.

Manchester City had clearly decided though it was job done and they were not going to risk injury too much sliding around in the surface water and mud. Just to rub salt in our wounds though they coasted in a sixth goal on 58 minutes to make it 6-0 after Kompany headed home from a corner.

Clarets fans had no option now but to turn to humour and decided that the only hope was that the rains would fall enough to have the game abandoned so they sang 'Call it off` hoping to remind the referee how dangerous it was to be sliding about like this! Clutching at straws but we were desperate and the referee simply ignored this genuine concern for the players safety! (Cough!)

Oh well at least we got the inevitable consolation goal on 71 minutes when Fletcher cut in from the left to thump his shot home. There was more cynical humour than relief at this point. Clarets fans in the main still had heart to sing despite the forlorn hope of rescuing anything but at the end of the day , most of us just wanted to go home, get dry and avoid watching Match of the Day later at all costs!

Well yes, Manchester City have an embarrassment of riches and depth of quality in the squad that the Clarets with the smallest budget in the top flight could only dream of but there was still no excuse for this woeful performance. Let`s remember virtually the same two teams played out an exciting 3-3 draw at the City of Manchester Stadium last November although back then of course we played as a team with belief and confidence. None of that was present at Turf Moor on Saturday and it was yet another gutless, passionless performance from the Clarets. Something we have come to almost expect these days under Brian Laws. Apart from the Wigan game away recently, Laws just can`t seem to get them motivated enough to turn on a decent performance and that continued on Saturday but if anything was even worse than the last few home games. You could criticise players in every area of the pitch and it was the most schoolboy, amateurish display I have seen this team play in many a season. It is so sad to see and so desperate a situation. Our squad let`s face it simply does not have enough quality, they are Championship level players at the limit of their capability but even so on that performance they would even struggle to hold their own in the Fizzy Pop League. It was no wonder Brian Laws felt obliged to apologise to the fans following that result.

This terrible defeat keeps us second from bottom but now we have the worst goal difference in the whole of the Premier League. At least third-from bottom club Hull also lost 2-0 away to Stoke but they still have a game in hand and now a four goal advantage in terms of goal difference. The party is nearly over unless we can somehow beat Hull next Saturday and get our first victory on the road all season. The problem is the fans have lost confidence in the players and manager and that negativity could have its effect on the pitch. Not only of course do we need to get above Hull but we also need West Ham to falter and at the time of writing they were currently 1-0 down away to Everton in the Sunday fixture. If it stays that way, they will be three points ahead of the Clarets having played the same number of games and of course they have a vastly superior goal difference to both Hull and the Clarets.

The Clarets Team Sheet

Brian Laws in typical style made more changes to the starting eleven and perhaps after that totally passionless, poor display against Rovers in the big derby at Turf Moor last week he had no option.

Former Manchester City defender, Stephen Jordan was not risked after picking up a knee injury towards the end of the first half against Rovers last Sunday so Danny Fox regained his spot at left back. Caldwell after playing in a midweek reserves match was also still sidelined with Carlisle on the bench and Duff and Cort retained in the centre of defence.

Robbie Blake was preferred to Martin Paterson who returned to the bench and Elliott also had to be content with bench warming with Chris Eagles returning to the starting eleven.

Rumours had been circulating all week that Brian Laws had fallen out with Andre Bikey after being absent from the eighteen in the Rovers derby last Sunday. He did however make a return to the bench for the City game so the speculation may have been just that.

In summary we lined up as follows:

Jensen, Mears, Duff, Cort, Fox, Alexander, Eagles, McDonald, Blake, Nugent, Fletcher

Subs: Weaver, Carlisle, Bikey, Cork, Elliott, Thompson, Paterson

The Full Match Report

Brian Laws decided to be more attack-minded for this game choosing to play just two in central midfield but the plan soon backfired with Manchester City charging through our midfield and defence like it wasn`t there! To be honest it wasn`t!

With the game just four minutes old, City got a corner after a shot by Adam Johnson got a deflection and hit the outside of the post. Adebayor fired home strongly from the corner and just one minute later it was 2-0. Johnson, the City winger was ripping us to shreds and this time he pounced on a terrible pass by Kevin McDonald and found Tevez. The Argentinean laid off the ball neatly to Bellamy who had a simple task to shoot home and send a shiver through the spines of all Clarets fans!

City`s attacks were relentless and by now we looked to have already capitulated and thrown in the towel! If we hadn`t then we had by the 7th minute when City made it 3-0. It was that man Johnson again who started the move after finding himself in acres of space. He pulled the ball back to Adebayor to shoot. Jensen should have saved it but instead he spilled the ball at the feet of Tevez for yet another simple tap-in. City never lose when Tevez scores but then we were that shockingly bad we knew we were unlikely to win even before he scored !

I don`t think we had been in their half yet and were now 3-0 down looking bewildered, shell-shocked and totally embarrassed. It would not get any better. City were now having wave after wave of attacks and our only reply so far had been an effort by Robbie Blake who could only put his shot into the side-netting.

Johnson was set free and we looked certain to go behind even further with three City players charging forward with just one defender to beat. It was a poor cross though and the chance went begging giving the Clarets a temporary respite.

City though got another corner soon after and this time Patrick Vieira stormed in to head home to make it 4-0 with just 20 minutes played. We were that pathetic now that some Clarets fans had decided enough was enough and were now storming out of the ground in disgust. The vast majority of fans stayed trying to put on a brave one but it was pretty much purgatory to watch for the rest of the half. Robbie Blake at this stage seemed to be the only one showing some passion but was fighting an uphill battle trying to get his demoralised team mates to respond and urge forward.

Shay Given saved routinely from Michael Duff and then Fletcher put his attempt wide as the Clarets finally tried to save some face. A Blake corner with seven minutes to go found the head of Nugent but Given saved the danger at close range parrying away the ball.

This little bit of pressure from the Clarets was a false dawn though and on the break City again ripped through our non-existent defence time and time again in the closing minutes of the first-half with both Vieira and Bellamy coming close to getting their second of the afternoon. Just before half-time the inevitable fifth goal came for City after a Tevez attempt had hit woodwork. The Clarets defence if there was such a thing seemed to go AWOL again and Adebayor simply walked through the open spaces to shoot past Jensen.

The rain was now falling like the clappers as the storm clouds gathered during half-time with surface water and puddles appearing all over the pitch. Clarets fans had only one hope and that was that the game would be abandoned and it was forlorn hope with both teams kicking off the second half in torrential rain with no sign that Alan Wiley was remotely interested in calling this one-sided affair off despite the Clarets fans best efforts.

For the start of the second-half, Laws had made a couple of changes. Blake, who had seemed the only one putting in the effort in the first half was substituted in an effort to tighten up midfield and Kevin McDonald also made way with Cork and Elliott coming on to replace them.

Players were now slipping all over the place and sliding in the mud and water. The ball was also getting stuck in the mud making passing difficult. Things carried on though and to be honest I think City now had decided job done and laid off in some of the tackles allowing Burnley to have a little spell of possession. David Nugent had a couple of efforts on goal but both went wide.
That little spell though came to a shuddering halt when City promptly went down the other end to make it 6-0 from yet another Johnson corner with still 32 minutes to play. This time Kompany headed home. Horrible thoughts of a double-figure final score for City entered the minds of Clarets fans and had they not taken the foot of the accelerator it might easily have been 10-0!!

The storm clouds finally gave up the ghost and it brightened up slightly as early evening approached. Just time to get a consolation goal when on 71 minutes Fletcher ran on to a through-ball from Cork and thumped the ball sweetly past Given with the ball sailing into the top corner to make the final defeat 6-1. Cynical cheers exploded around the ground but really those Clarets fans staying to the bitter end just wanted to go home and forget about this pathetic performance.

Match Detail

Burnley: Jensen, Mears, Duff, Cort, Fox, Alexander, Eagles, McDonald (Cork 46), Blake (Elliott 46), Nugent, Fletcher (Paterson 80)

Subs not used: Weaver, Carlisle, Bikey, Thompson

Goal: Fletcher (71)

Booked: None

Manchester City: Given, Onuoha, Sylvinho (De Jong 67), Toure, Kompany, A Johnson, Barry, Vieira, Adebayor (Santa Cruz 79), Tevez (Nimely 83), Bellamy

Subs not used: Nielsen, Garrido, Boyata, Wright-Phillips

Goals: Adebayor (4), Bellamy (5), Tevez (7), Vieira (20), Adebayor (45), Kompany (58).

Booked: None

Possession: 36% Burnley, 64% Manchester City (Source: BBC Sport)

Referee: Alan Wiley (Staffordshire)

Star Player

How do you seriously select any 'Star Player` from a side that loses 6-1 at home and has clearly lost the plot in so many ways technically, physically and mentally? 36% possession we had during this game, a total joke!

Some Burnley fans had nothing but humour to resort to yesterday after such a disgraceful performance with a quite a lot not really seeing the funny side despite the efforts of some to raise spirits. The only spirits I was interested in was the Gin bottle after that!

With rumours circulating that the manager had lost the dressing room and was falling out with players left, right and centre, you can hardly blame some for thinking there might be some truth in it after such a depressing display.

The Clarets were asked to text their 'Man of the Match` at the game and of course really the only one they could give it to was Steven Fletcher, for the one simple reason that he scored! Reluctantly we give our award to Fletcher as well but the word 'Star` is not a particularly bright one although it is marginally preferable to ten black holes!

The Journalist

Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday April 4 2010

Time: 5:07PM

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I would love to know what those that moan about folk moaning now say after that absolute disgrace from both manager and team! Can't wait to hear the positive spin on this one
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04/04/2010 17:11:00

Positive spin... hmmmm... Out of the seven, Fletcher's goal was the best. How's that? Tough day at the office.
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04/04/2010 17:36:00

I really do not know what to say. I think you could argue that all of the goals we conceded were gifts - Yes Bellamys was a good finish but it was a sloppy pass from Kev Mc that started it. I dont know - I really dont. City were good - but we were very bad in that first half. How we now get heart/confidence belief into this team - I am not sure. Yes the second half was much better and they did show some fight - but City had more than taken their foot off the gas. One of the big concerns for me is Kev Mc - Someone needs to have a word with him about his application to games or a very promising career could drift away.
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04/04/2010 17:52:00

oh and West Ham appear to have gained a point today
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04/04/2010 17:53:00

I would not be surprised if laws has lost some players in the dressing room, Reminds me of what happened when his mentor took over at Leeds.
grimsby claret
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04/04/2010 18:24:00

Phil I cannot remember ever being 5-0 down at home at half time can anybody ?
grimsby claret
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04/04/2010 18:36:00

Well it was always going to be difficult but we haven't helped our cause. I think it all started when Bikey was switched to midfield by OC to accomodate Caldwell coming back from injury (over-loyalty to the captain. For me, Bikey and Edgar are the most accomplished centre backs we have and I'm amazed that Bikey's been left out and Edgar sent out on loan by BL. I also see that Eckersley's been tried at left back since being on loan - why didn't OC or BL have the vision to at least try that? BL's signing's - Cort and Fox haven't delivered and have weakened the defence if anything, while stopping us playing football from the back, especially at home. BL's decision to send Guerrero back when he did still amazes me - we'll never know how much of a threat he could have been. We've also just lost the confidence to go at teams at home since BL arrive. That was our strength and since BL arrived the players seem to have had the confidence sucked out of them and are playing with fear. We desperately needed to appoint a manager with confidence in himself and his abilities after OC left BL always appeared to be short on this and those doubts have been transmitted to the players. We needed to keep playing to our strengths while using the best defenders available as mentioned above. I hopr the chairman has the bottle to admit a mistake was made in choosing BL ahead of O'Driscoll and bring in the right man for the job for next season. Of course I still hope BL can prove me wrong and keep us up, but it's becoming more and more difficult to see where any wins can come from. I hope that at least we go for it against Hull and play without the fear we've seen lately.
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04/04/2010 18:41:00

whether you blame laws for this or not, whether players don't want to play for laws who cares anymore. The thing that *****es me off the players should show passion on the field when they put the claret and blue shirt on for there own pride and the fans who turn up every week home and away
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04/04/2010 18:46:00

Yep Dale, Everton 2-2 West Ham FFS everybody is fighting to stay up except us!!
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04/04/2010 18:57:00

Exactly Fedup they should be loud and proud to be wearing the shirt. I don't know what was worse to be 3-0 down within 8 mins or the mass exudos that ensued. I lasted 90 minutes and only for the 2nd time in all the years Ive been going did I leave dead on 90 mins and not wait for the final whistle. At least myself and fellow season ticket holders around me got through the dire game with a bit of humour. Next game I see will be Sunderland, I am supposed to be working Liverpool match and am now debating do I work and miss a match or do I swap my shift as I usually do if working a home game. I am strongly thinking of working my shift in the hope that I miss a cracker of a game and we get the points, and then I can berate myself for opting to miss the game.
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04/04/2010 19:08:00

sheclaret - I think the Liverpool game may get moved to a Sunday if they beat Benfica on Thursday. As for people leaving early ( which I didnt), I think a lot of it is the fact they are to upset to watch what is happening in front of them.
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04/04/2010 20:51:00

I pleaded with the bloke and his kids not to walk out after 20 minutes they must have forked out nearly £100 as we are not season ticket holders in the jimmy mac lower front rows, to no avail. at half time out in the concourses the turnstiles were turning constantly with fans leaving. I Thought that was sad and thought they were wrong to walk out on Burnley no matter what the score surely we support our club for better or worse.
grimsby claret
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04/04/2010 21:47:00

The very best managers get their players to play above their ability, ordinary managers just manage, of the others where is our manager. Sorry to say but hopefully anywhere but Burnley, can we hope he will at least do the honourable thing and resign.
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04/04/2010 21:51:00

Chose a good one to miss - family commitments in Devon. Careered down the M5 at speed in an attempt to make the pub for the match. Had Radio 5 on for the first 10 minutes before arriving at Exmouth, then promptly abandoned said trip to the pub. Positive spin TMP? - how about it was an improvement on a previous home match against City (when we lost 0-6 under Stan Ternent), only that time Shaun Goater was the City man banging the goals in. At least this time we had the highest paid player in the UK doing the damage. Oh yeah, and we got promoted the following season :)
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04/04/2010 21:57:00

screwed screwed screwed we are compleatly and uterly screwed
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04/04/2010 22:43:00

It was obviously only right that we supported Laws when he was appointed. He was thrown in at the deep end after that tosser left us and he had to be given a chance even though he was not our first choice. The Independent, or one of the broadsheets, said on Sunday that we are reaping the mistake of appointing Laws. They said that he has never done anything as a manager and that his uninspiring leadership is producing the inevitable uninspiring performances. This seems to be a fair assessmernt. It is also inevitable that the players, especially the ones that came up under Coyle, are losing belief and faith. It kept showing Laws on tv after we went 3-0 down and he just doesn't inspire at all, he was just looking glum and shaking his head. Then he realised he had to do something 'managerial' so he started waving his arms and shouting at the players. I still think it was Coyle who lost the plot first and he knew it too, that's why he left. He concentrated too much on getting in attacking players whilst doing nothing to shore up the glaring holes, especially in midfield and also defence. Then, as Swales says, the ones he did get in were played out of position or not played at all. Cornwall ia also spot on, our players are Championship material who played with a spirit under Coyle that had them performing above their ability. This has now gone under Laws and he won't get it back, it's the same in any work place. When we lost 6-0 to Man City under Stan, he went straight to Kilby and offered to resign. Kilby refused to accept it and we were promoted under Stan. I don't think he would refuse this time!
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05/04/2010 03:14:00

Laws won't resign ! he's a clueless headless chicken. The only thing he knows is how to hang on for compensation, he should have walked from our place but didn't. If he had still been incharge at Wednesday we would be down by now. He lost our dressing room & it looks like he's lost yours
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05/04/2010 10:40:00

Kilby and the board would have been be looking a new manager for next season after the Blackburn game, there no point replacing Laws now. Whether we think Kilby got it right or wrong by appointing Laws thats in the past, there some big decisions to be made at the end of the season with players leaving the club and players coming in. Kilby not thick for what ever reason Burnley appointed Laws for thats gone now, Kilby, Flood and the rest of the board will get it right at the end of the season I'm 100 percent sure of that.
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05/04/2010 11:11:00

I agree Fedup. There is no point replacing Laws now. If we do we are only risking a repeat with the new manager - losing the last 5 games and all confidence again. Wait till the last game and give Laws the boot directly after the ref blows, thereby giving us enough time to appoint someone else and giving him the greatest amount of time to assess the players and build before next season. One thing that does worry me is the amount of compensation that might be owed if we do sack Laws and the rest of his backroom muppets??
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05/04/2010 11:49:00

Hadnt thought of that ODE (compensation).
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05/04/2010 12:00:00

That would be ironic wouldn't it if we had to get rid of Laws and pay him compensation considering it is widely thought Sean O'Driscoll lost out because we were not wanting to fork out more money and pay compensation to Donny to bring him to the Turf?!
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05/04/2010 12:09:00

Sickening might be the word TMP!
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05/04/2010 12:13:00

Does this mean the board will stick with Laws so they don't have to pay the comp? Or if they do sack him and have to shell out do they not look even more foolish for not appointing O'Driscoll in the first place? Never know though, maybe Laws will show some backbone and resign....
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05/04/2010 12:27:00

Its an interesting one. When appointed I thought we had got the wrong man but felt that we had to give him until at least Xmas. I now think we need to see something in this last 5 games to show us that things will/can improve if we do leave it till Xmas.
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05/04/2010 12:30:00

I think the Board would do themselves a great favour and would get respect from the fans if they stood up and openly admitted they made a mistake at some point. The longer they leave it, and the more embarrassing any defeats get between now and the end of the season the more they will be open to criticism and ridicule! You are right Dale unless some miracle happens between now and the end of the season, the confidence that Laws can do something in the Championship will not be high. I guess, I still have to stay with my 'give him' till Xmas 2010 statement but I just worry if it goes tits-up we will have wasted the parachute payment money. [Edited by turfmanphil]
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05/04/2010 12:33:00

I would think that Kilby Would have some sort of clause in Laws and his backroom staff contracts when the case of sackings needs to be done. I know he as lost some credit with the fans including me for Laws, and when you read that the players have clauses in there contracts for going down I don't think Laws and is staff will be any different.
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05/04/2010 15:06:00

You don't need to be highly educated to see the problem is Laws, he can't get the motivation and passion from players like they had at the start of the season and Kilby can see that. The players should also take a lot of the blame for not playing for Laws, for 15k a week or what ever they on they should run through a brick wall for any manager.
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05/04/2010 15:24:00

Thereís something definitely wrong at the moment, still not sure if itís down to Laws or simply despondency by the players because of the situation. If he has lost the dressing room, then heís finished , but unlike West Ham players who have publicly backed Zola we havenít heard anything from our players, good or bad. Laws makes the point that theyíre playing for their pride and futures, and he himself couldnít believe the performance, or lack of it. So is that down to him, or the players who for some reason canít get over some deep set mental block which is affecting the whole team? He was on to a hiding to nothing because of circumstances, before he even started, but I agree with all the comments above that itís pointless getting rid of him at this point in time . I donít think any of us seriously expected to beat City on Saturday, but I was hoping for a good performance along the lines of if they do score 5 then hopefully we can score 3. I didnít expect what I saw , it seemed as though the mentality reflected a mindset of Ďwe canít be expected to stop the likes of theseí. I think the real barometer of self -belief and commitment comes in the next match against opponents who we would normally be expected to beat, or at worst draw against. Unfortunately, the draw is no good now, itís got to be a win and nothing else will do. Letís see what theyíve got.
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05/04/2010 15:32:00

Agree Welsh - it is difficult to see whether it is the players or the manager that are responsible for what we witnessed on Saturday.
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05/04/2010 15:51:00

The one thing we can be sure about is that we don't know the full picture.
Couch Potato
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05/04/2010 16:23:00

Also Agree with that CP.
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05/04/2010 17:30:00

Somebody has to take the blame most of the players and Laws for a start, they were not fit to wear the shirt in the first half.
Grimsby Claret
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05/04/2010 19:15:00

Can't argue with that Grimsby, but as couch and dale remark above, I can't help feeling that there's more going on than we're aware of. They're the same players, so what's gone so badly wrong? One thing's for sure, if this carries on to the end of the season then it'll all come out in the wash, when Kilby and the board address whatever they perceive to be the problem.
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05/04/2010 20:30:00

Looks like the wheels have fallen off.
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06/04/2010 00:50:00

Wheels can be put back on and will be!
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06/04/2010 07:08:00

Surely, Laws is the boss and therefore must ultimately take the blame. All he seems to have done so far is blame the referee, bad luck, the players, no mention that he might have got things a little bit wrong, he even suggested that it was his slating of the players at half time that got the second half draw, nothing to do with at 6-0 City had done the job and the terrible weather, better if he had said nothing at all. To me this is a sign of a weak man, something you do not want in someone in charge of a football team. Hope the board do a deal and let him stay to the end of the season and then part company by mutual consent, no compensation as he was not sacked and he could keep his credability???
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06/04/2010 10:07:00

It is what happens when you appoint Brain Laws as manager, he has no chrisma to make the players punch above their weight, something that, as he is so christened on this site, Susan Boyle was able to do. Nor does his game tactics utilise the full potential of the squad. I couldnt believe it when I saw Eagles and Blake on the bench against Blackburn.
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06/04/2010 12:44:00

You have a fair point LW although I just wonder how much losing Coyle has affected the players over and above any ineptitude on the part of Laws
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06/04/2010 12:49:00

Just got back from my Easter break which included taking in this game and I have now seen us concede five in the flesh twice, six once and three on several occasions. I've been to about 13-14 games this year and seen us win just once ! I thought the team selection was absolute suicide. Against Belllamy, Tevez, Johnson and Adebayor Laws had no option but to choose a more solid line-up but when Bertie Magoo went three up after seven minutes it became a bit of a disaster anyway. I thought City could have scored ten by half-time and the weather probably saved us from further damage as the pitch was unplayable in the second period and had the game been level at that point it would surely have been called off. This will have knocked the stuffing out of everyone at the club but hopefully we can salvage a bit of pride now in our remaining games as relegation is a deserved certainty.
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06/04/2010 15:04:00

Interesting point RT about the team selection. I think he commented after the game about wanting a team to attack City as 'staying in games' previously hadnt worked. I wonder how much of that is this the reason, and just how much is it bowing to fan pressure. Either is not encouraging - but I am not sure which would be worse! However, We will probably never know just how much of this result was down to the team selection as Defensive errors led to us being 3 down before the game had really started - which obviously then impacted on the mental state of the team.
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06/04/2010 15:30:00

I just wish we had stuck to Coyle's gung-ho approach, we seemed to have messed things around so much the team look confused! To play gung-ho though you need a manager with passion,drive and motivation to make the players believe in themselves. Laws sadly I think seems to lack that charisma. We could probably have gone a whole season without winning away playing 'gung-ho' but survived on the home form. Its the demise of Fortress Turf Moor that has been the most disappointing aspect for me.
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06/04/2010 15:37:00

Agree with that Phil - Losing all our away games does not overly bother me. But we have now lost as many at 'fotress' as we have won - That is the upsetting point for me.
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06/04/2010 16:05:00

Tmp thats exactly what I was getting at. Since Laws came into the club he stopped the whole gung-ho approach that had served the club so well in Coyle's tenure. It was a sheer joy to watch BFC play football, and no one wanted to go to Turf Moor. It was feared as much as Old Trafford. Now Laws comes in changes the philosophy of the club, which in turn changes the players mentality, making them more tentative and anxious since the game plan now consists of just trying to stay in games rather then win them.
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06/04/2010 18:23:00

And there's the problem, or one of them at least. The players were groomed by Coyle both mentally and tactically and when he left they must have felt abandoned by their mentor. Laws has tried to change things to improve the away results, and the net result has been the team loosing their tried and tested system of playing . I wonder if there's a feeling of resentment towards Laws for interfering with this system? If Coyle had stayed, I'm sure the home form would have continued. What I'm still not sure about is whether or not this would have been the case even if Laws had continued Coyles' formula. In other words, did Coyle's totally unexpected departure upset the applecart so much that there was no going back, particularly for certain players ?
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06/04/2010 21:13:00

I think it did WC. My feeling is that Owen put the heart/desire ( etc) into those players and when he left, he basically took it with him.
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06/04/2010 21:36:00

I just posted on another thread that maybe one day Coyle will have the chance to show the world how he'd manage in the sort of maelstrom he created.
Couch Potato
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06/04/2010 21:46:00

I think we are giving Coyle too much credit here. Let's not forget he'd only won one in about ten when he left and we were shipping in goals at an alarming rate before he left. Okay we were getting results at home but they were at the beginning of the season when we were up for it and some of the top sides, mainly Man U and Everton, are slow starters. Coyle had a lot of the luck that's now deserted us too. Coyle knew he couldn't keep us up, that's why he left. I don't think Laws is the man but Coyle wasn't god either.
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07/04/2010 02:41:00

TMP, have you noticed how well Steve Cotterill is doing at Notts County? Won eight, drawn two, lost none since he went there and he looks like taking them up. I really think that he didn't get the credit he deserved for what he did for Burnley, especially with our deification of Coyle. He got in most of the players that took us up, and cheaply too. He just went a little too defensive and negative in the end - perhaps a mix of Cotterill and Coyle would be the perfect manager! He was only brought in for a few months at Notts whilst they went into administration but they have managed to avoid that now and want him to stay on. If he does, I wouldn't be surprised if he went for some of our players in the summer. He was a big admirer of Blake, Alexander and Carlisle and they would still have a few good years in Division one if they wanted to drop down. Alexander definitely wants to play for as long as possible so we might see some moves to Notts.
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07/04/2010 02:58:00

It seems not only the fans left at half time but Kev Mc did to after being subbed he showered changed and went to the 110 club to watch rest of the match. It is also reported that Robbie and Laws had a right old ding dong in the changing room.
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07/04/2010 13:13:00

Spot on Ozjean! I always thought some of the criticism and abuse Cotterill got by some of the fans was uncalled for, but I could see he had to go when he did as we seemed to have stagnated after many years of consolidation with no money and having to sell key players! Virtually all his signings though got us promoted under Coyle. Yeah i came up with the idea of CotterCoyle as manager earlier in the season-Coyle at home gung-ho, Cotterill away grinding out results. Latter not pretty but effective!
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07/04/2010 14:18:00

Kev Mac wherever you may be, are you having a pint in the KSC?, it could be worse - you could be Laws, falling out with Blake as Tevez scores... :-D
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07/04/2010 20:06:00

Just put it down to one of those days guys - some big games comming up so re-group and start again. Good luck.
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