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Saturday 5th January 2013


FA Cup and Back to Avoiding Oakwell Hell!

The Clarets travel to the dreaded Oakwell on Saturday for the second time this season. This time they hope to beat a struggling manager-less Barnsley side and progress to the fourth round of the FA Cup

The Pre-amble:

Burnley have another Yorkshire adventure this Saturday with a visit to Oakwell for the second time this season. The Clarets will be buoyed up by their Championship win at Hillsborough on New Year`s Day but now they have to turn their attention to the FA Cup third round hoping to beat a struggling Barnsley side and progress to the fourth round stage. The Tykes have had a torrid season and currently sit firmly at the bottom of the Championship table four points adrift of safety and without a manager having recently sacked Keith Hill. Barnsley have named Hill`s assistant David Flitcroft as their caretaker manager and no new appointment looks set to be announced by Saturday. Oakwell is not a place that has been kind to the Clarets over the years no matter what the relative form of the two teams at the time! We had a rare win there on Boxing Day 2010 when we came away with a 2-1 victory giving Brian Laws a short stay of execution but before that you would have to go back to 1932 for the last time we won at Oakwell. We lost 2-0 on this ground last season and scraped a poor 1-1 draw back in November this season. Sean Dyche will be hoping for a vastly improved performance this time round against the Championship whipping boys but anything can happen in the FA Cup, certainly at Oakwell and all bets are off especially since the Clarets will be without Charlie Austin and potentially other injured first-team players.

Barnsley Team News:

29 year old striker, Marcus Tudgay who had been on loan from Nottingham Forest has broken his collarbone and will be out for six to eight weeks. He suffered the injury during the Tykes' match with Blackburn last Saturday. His loan contract however expired on the 3rd January in any case. There have been no reports of a contract extension and he is currently back at his parent club for treatment.

Former Barnsley boss Keith Hill also confirmed last month that Egyptian striker Mido was set to leave the club. The 29-year-old former Tottenham, Middlesbrough, Wigan and West Ham player joined the Tykes in the summer but injury and lack of fitness restricted him to only one appearance this season.

Player to watch: Luke Steele

The hapless goalkeeper has conceded just over 2 goals per game on average in the last seven matches and the last time he helped Barnsley get a point at home was annoyingly against the Clarets in the 1-1 draw back in November. The former West Brom keeper, now 28 signed permanently for the Tykes in May 2008 following a loan spell and initially penned a one year contract.

Burnley Team News:

Sean Dyche has a number of injury concerns. We already know Charlie Austin will not be fit enough to play (gluteal/hamstring injury) and that Ben Mee remains sidelined with a medial knee ligament injury. Junior Stanislas has also been out of contention for the last three games with a hamstring injury. He is unlikely to be ready for the Tykes clash but his rehabilitation is understood to be going well. Dean Marney also failed to make the eighteen against Sheffield Wednesday on New Year`s Day after picking up a thigh injury in the Leicester game last Saturday. Dyche`s injury headache got even worse in the Owls game. Chris McCann (hamstring) and Martin Paterson (thigh) were taken off as a precaution at Hillsborough and they are now doubtful for Oakwell. You can judge their chances of playing by reading between the lines of Sean Dyche`s comments on the injury situation. On the Pato and McCann injuries, he does not believe them to be too serious saying:

"We`re not thinking they`re that serious.

"Obviously we don`t want to tempt fate, but we got Pato and Macca off quite quickly, and they came off themselves quite quickly.

"It`s one of the things I`ve talked about, heroes are not for Christmas, they`re for one-offs, a cup final at the end of the season, but not mid-season, you need to get them off so they heal quick and you can get them back out there.

"I`m pleased to say they got off quickly, and we`ll find out more before the weekend.

"Pato had a problem with his thigh, Macca his hamstring and Stocky had a bit of cramp, more than anything, as the pitch was indifferent."

Although Stock was forced off late on with cramp it is understood he will be available at Oakwell. Talking about the Marney situation, Dyche said :

"Dean is not an overly serious one either and we are hoping that will settle down quickly."

Player to watch: Sam Vokes

If Vokes wants to take advantage of the Austin situation, he could do himself a big favour by scoring a goal or three against Barnsley on Saturday. He is keen to become a regular starter but it`s been difficult for him with Austin in such fine form. Now he has the chance to prove his worth and at least give Dyche something to think about once Austin returns to full fitness.

Team & Tactics:

With so many injuries, Dyche might be forced into 'squad rotation` whether he likes it or not. Against lowly Barnsley, would he risk giving a few of the fringe players a run out as well? Brain Jensen has patiently warmed the bench waiting for a chance; might he get one or two in the FA Cup? It is of course difficult to predict either a team or formation with so many injury doubts. I am going to select a team based on the worse scenario. We know Austin, Mee and Stanislas will be out of contention so let`s also assume Pato, McCann and Marney fail to make it. How would this line up grab you?

Jensen, Trippier, Duff, Shackell, Lafferty, Stock, Wallace, Edgar, Bartley, Treacy, Vokes

Subs: Grant, O`Neill, Long, Ings plus three young guns

There is also a remote possibility that new winger, Dane Richards could feature having officially signed for the club on January 1st but that would depend on whether he gets international clearance in time.

Ref Watch:

Paul Tierney is in charge of this War of the Roses clash. The Lancashire (?) referee has been the man in the middle for 20 games so far this season and he has handed out a modest 43 yellow cards sending just two players off the pitch. This will be the first time he has been involved in a Clarets game.

Match Prediction:

Relative form suggests Burnley should be able to progress to the next round with some ease but this is Oakwell and the Clarets face a number of injury problems. We played poorly in the recent Championship fixture and would have to play much better to be assured of victory. I`ll stick my neck out and go for a 2-0 win on the simple basis of Law of Averages!

Next Match:

Burnley return to Championship duty on Saturday 12th January with a tricky home game against 3rd placed promotion-chasing Crystal Palace. (Kick-Off: 3pm)

The Journalist

Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday January 4 2013

Time: 10:27AM

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Of course I want us to win but I really can't be arsed either way to be honest! This was always going to be a terrible draw with little interest. Certainly not going up to Oakwell for the second time this season although last time it was bit easier being based in Huddersfield.
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04/01/2013 10:33:00
The FA Cup could bring money into the club if beat Barnsley that is, and we draw a big club in the next round..
grimsby claret
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04/01/2013 11:15:00
Barnsley will also be without Jonathan Greening following the midfielder's return to parent club Nottingham Forest at the end of his loan spell. Managerless Barnsley have no new injury or suspension problems to contend with
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04/01/2013 11:23:00
I won't lose any sleep if we lose GC and I suspect we would be beter focussing on the Champonship without the distraction of the FA Cup. The financial rewards of promotion are far greater and you have more chance of falling on banana skins or going out to the likes of QPR in the FA Cup than getting to play the really big clubs
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04/01/2013 11:28:00
New signing Dane Richards has received international clearance and could be added to the squad according to Official Site
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04/01/2013 12:31:00
Also according to Official Site-'Top scorer Craig Davies may not play for Barnsley as he looks to finalise a move to Bolton'
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04/01/2013 12:33:00
I think this is a big chance to progress, the cup run in our promotion season did a small squad no harm, confidence and winning games is key imo. I think I have been to the last 3 games at Barnsley, won 1, Drawn 1, Lost 1. Laws, Dyche and Susan.
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04/01/2013 12:48:00
I would like to see Jensen & Long start TMP - but other than that I dont think your team will be that far away from how we line up ( assuming none of the inured party return).
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04/01/2013 12:57:00
We only been promoted once! How many seasons have we suffered by being in the FA Cup at the expense of reaching the play-offs? Injuries, banana skins, low attendances, defeats to mediocre teams with no financial pull?
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04/01/2013 13:02:00
Bit more Burnley team news from Official Site: 'The Clarets have a number of potential injury headaches. Charlie Austin and Ben Mee are definitely out and there are doubts over Martin Paterson and Chris McCann. Dean Marney and Junior Stanislas could return'
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04/01/2013 13:08:00
VR- now the irritating Potter-subsidising Bet365 (with their Hammer celebrity top TV salesman) advert has let me get a word in edgeways despite me not asking it to open up (again)... didn't Eddie go to Oakwell?
Couch Potato
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04/01/2013 14:29:00
OK tmp you can start the campaign to end our futile attempts at getting good money from a cup run, I am sure Mansfield fans will agree with you......waste of time, pointless supporting a team who are not going to be European Champions....Couch Imay not have gone to that game, I just remember the ones I listed.
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04/01/2013 17:13:00
The FA Cup is an utter waste of time, in my opinion, the likes of Man U treat it with contempt and put out third strings until they get to the final and beat Chelsea. Ties like Barnsley are utterly boring and we all lap it up hoping at some point we can beat Man U's third string and very rarely do! Meanwhile we take our eye off the bigger goal of trying to get promotion and run the risk of injury. I am sure we will get good money at Oakwell and can then relish playing Southend at home freezing our nads off in front of 5000 fans with atmosphere provided by a mini-bus load of Shrimpers fans! [Edited by turfmanphil]
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04/01/2013 17:26:00
Good to see the magic of the FA Cup being embraced. A great tie to try out squad players on our fringe and should it be Mansfield in the next round we could try out more fringe players, or just treat it like Man U who are going to use it to play Vidic back to match fitness......as for Bradford wasting their time in the League Cup.....words fail.......
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04/01/2013 20:14:00
Absolute Rubbish the last time we played there and I won't be going this time, we can't play that bad again (can we?)
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04/01/2013 20:33:00
The magic of the FA Cup died years ago when there ceased to be a level playing field and big Prem clubs treated it with complete contempt. Trying our fringe players? So we are not taking it seriously either? Should we not be putting out the best team we can so we can maximise our chances of losing against Man U in a later round?
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04/01/2013 21:08:00
Are you saying it's more interesting watching SKYSportsNews report their self-manufacturd window rumours? Get back in the real game... Pompey took the FA Cup so seriously they thought it was worth committing suicide for!
Couch Potato
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04/01/2013 21:23:00
Or if you get bored with SKYs window coverage, you can always go to BBCwww... Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has accused Tottenham of "blatant manipulation" over the signing of defender Zeki Fryers and wants the Premier League to investigate the deal. Fryers left United for Standard Liege for a small compensation fee in August, after Spurs baulked at paying 6m. But now Spurs have signed the 20-year-old from Standard for a reported 3m. "I'm disappointed in Tottenham. I think it's a blatant manipulation of the situation," said Ferguson. "I think the league should look into it and I think they should stop his registration until they examine it." However, United are yet to make a formal complaint to the Premier League, who declined to comment on the matter. I think that's Spurs 3 million ManU 0 at halftime! I love giantkillers in any competition.
Couch Potato
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04/01/2013 21:35:00
Sounds like another reason for not taking it seriously! Barnsley I recall too beat the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool on one famous run and we all have them! Then we all return to reality,punching above our weight with the Board pleading poverty having lost focus on the major goal of trying to get up
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04/01/2013 21:43:00
I love giantkillers in any competition. Swindon?
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04/01/2013 21:45:00
Burnley v Arsenal and Chelsea. Or even our win in the 2nd leg vs Liverpool I drove from Arbroath to see it despite us being 3 down I think from the 1st leg. Supporting isn't plastic nor is it conditional, if it was I would have started supporting Barcelona years ago. UTC despite those who appear to be turning to the dark side......;)
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05/01/2013 08:50:00
Yes, and because I was in the area I went to the early Carling Cup rounds against lower league opposition. They were absolute rubbish with no atmosphere and then we got knocked out at Swindon, bloody Swindon! It was a similar story last season.This is not about supporting a club, I want them to win in all competitions, its about the relevance of playing in cup games that very rarely lead to financial advantage! I have no desire to drive up from Cambridgeshire to watch us play Barnsley at Oakwell or the likes of Plymouth at Turf Moor. I should imagine this season we made a loss of the Carling Cup games. The gate would hardly have covered the overheads
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05/01/2013 09:33:00
The FA Cup certainly isn't what it was but it's so-called demise has nothing to do with United who, after all, were put in a no-win situation by the FA a few years ago. Those of us of a certain age can probably recall all the winners from the 70s/80s and even the scores, scorers and names of all of the crowd. Don't forget the the Cup Final was one of the few live games on the telly in those days - it is now one of many and playing the semi-finals at Wembley has, in my view, devalued the final as an occasion. How many can remember the winners from the early nineties onwards? That said, we all love a cup run and if we progress to the later rounds we will be moaning on here about the way the club have allocated tickets for the games. Presumably those who don't like the cup will not want tickets....leaving more for the rest of us who will watch Burnley in any competition. And at any level.
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05/01/2013 11:30:00
A robust defence from RT. I hope ours does as well at Oakwell. Bournemouth away in the next round would suit me. Just along the cast, I'd be there if I could get a ticket, knees trembling at the prospect of seeing just how good Eddie's unbeaten Cherries really are, should they get past Wigan. Or should that be uneaten Cherries?
Couch Potato
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05/01/2013 11:38:00
I'm annoyed the Swans Ars game is on ESPN, which I don't have. Watching Wenger squirm if Ars struggle over Sunday lunch could be as compelling as the footbal, if both teams play.
Couch Potato
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05/01/2013 12:06:00
Did you go and see the drab Plymouth game at Turf Moor back in August then RT? I was one of the 4119 who did! There would certainly have been plenty of tickets available for that one, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO surprised (NOT) that so many didn't go! [Edited by turfmanphil]
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05/01/2013 12:07:00
Worse thing that could happen at Oakwell would be to draw the bloody game and have to replay it all over again at Turf Moor on a bitterly cold Tuesday night in front of a sub-10,000 crowd! Naw we got better things to concentrate on these days. The Cups simply don't have the appeal they once had and I agree with RT about that. No idea who won any cup from about 1990 onwards and frankly don't care, the appeal of these competitions long since evaporated! Yes,of course if we finish up playing some top Prem club then things would be different but that rarely happens
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05/01/2013 12:29:00
Interesting line-up considering injuries. Surprised no Long? Good to see Stanislas back and new boy Richards on bench waiting to come on and impress BURNLEY:Jensen, Trippier, Duff, Shackell, Lafferty, Marney, Stock, Treacy, Wallace, Ings, Vokes Subs: Grant, Stanislas, Edgar, O'Neill, Bartley, Fletcher, Richards [Edited by turfmanphil]
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05/01/2013 14:08:00
Barnsley: Harewood in for Davies who looks to be on his way to Bolton. Burnley: Richards wears Shirt 21
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05/01/2013 14:47:00
0-0 after 20 minutes; nowt much happening!
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05/01/2013 15:25:00
Great Stock sent off! Bloody FA Cup!
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05/01/2013 15:41:00
Two yellow cards, will miss Palace game and we are just four points off the play-offs! Its a terrible game at Oakwell and now we lose a key player that could affect our chances of the greater goal of promotion! Proves my point!!
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05/01/2013 15:45:00
TMP you are the most negative person I've ever encountered. You know,we are actually very lucky people. We live in a great country (either UK or Oz), have great lives, support a great team. Lighten up.
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05/01/2013 15:48:00
No I am the most positive, if only this small town mentality club would concentrate on the priorities, we would all be! We can't all live in a cosy world of seemingly perfection when nowt happens and the same mistakes keep being made year after year!
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05/01/2013 15:53:00
0-0 at half time Bloody Yawn and down to ten men against a club at bottom of Championship! Great!
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05/01/2013 15:56:00
Richards coming on! Gate: 5,091 (Jesus!)
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05/01/2013 16:31:00
13 minutes plus time added on! Still 0-0, still a yawn although Richards now on making his debut seems to have livened things up! Oh gawd someone get the winner!!
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05/01/2013 16:42:00
1- 0 Barnsley! Oakwell Hell again, FA Cup crap again!
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05/01/2013 16:50:00
Poor,niggly game finished 1-0 to the Tykes! Not fussed one bit, bring on Palace without Stock
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05/01/2013 16:59:00
Certainly didn't go to that Argyle game TMP though attended plenty of others in the years when 4,000 would have been considered a decent crowd. Like many fans on here and elsewhere cost and time mean that I have to pick and choose games these days. I'm disappointed we have lost today - much prefer a cup run to seeing a season sizzle out. Suspect Luton and Macc fans might agree.
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05/01/2013 17:26:00
At one time Barnsley would have been Giant Killers. Memories! Sometimes all the footy supporter has, except supreme, or idiotic, optimism.
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05/01/2013 17:34:00
Well that certainly wasn't memorable!
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05/01/2013 17:38:00
Our season should not fizzle out now if we go for promotion RT. The Cup defeat allows us to concentrate on that goal and we are only four points off the play-offs. Losing Stock in this non-entity of a game does not help that goal against Palace however and we have to hope some of the injured return next Saturday. I suspect Luton (6th in Conf) and Macc (11th) would rather get promotion too than be sidetracked by an FA Cup run that could come to an end at any moment
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05/01/2013 17:55:00
if we go for promtion? Maybe its like the FA Cup we should not bother that much as promotion only leads to financial ruin for clubs like us, lets just stay mid table, save our money and just go to the Derby games (tic) or wait till tmp finds a new Chairman with many millions to throw away on mighty Burnley.
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05/01/2013 20:15:00
p.s. I know you are keen to get debates, hits on the site etc but not sure ozjean and others will flock back for this type of dross
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05/01/2013 20:17:00
The only type of dross was the result and performance at Barnsley! This was exactly the type of result that has put me off Cup games for many a season and now we can at least concentrate on a much more important target that could give us far greater financial rewards if we achieve it. As for folk not coming back because they disagree with my opinions, that is down to them but I aint gonna sit here pretending to extol the virtues of cup games when I believe they have had their day!
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05/01/2013 21:53:00

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