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Crystal Palace vs. Burnley

Selhurst Park

Saturday 13th August 2011


Pivotal at the Palace!

It has been a turbulent week both at Turf Moor and in the country but now the Clarets have to put all that behind them and face up to Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park on Saturday in their first away game of the new season.

The Pre-amble

The Clarets play only their second League game of the new season this Saturday and their first match away from Turf Moor. They travel to South London to play Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park . With the terrible riots and looting in London this week (and indeed elsewhere in the country) the match looked at one point like it might not go ahead but thankfully the Police and the FL have decided not to postpone any matches in London over the weekend so it is still 'game on`!

If the mayhem in the country was not enough, there was also a lot of anger from Clarets fans this week following news that the club had sold left back Danny Fox to Southampton. Enough has been said of this elsewhere on this site, so let`s quickly move on!

Burnley have had a pretty average start to the season although they have shown quite a bit of resilience and there have been some positive signs amidst the worries. In the opener last Saturday at home to Watford, we had to come from 2 goals behind to eventually earn a point but in the end a draw was somewhat disappointing against a pretty average side that some think could struggle to avoid relegation this season. We then had a very strange game in midweek when we turned our attentions to the first round of the Carling Cup. League 2 Burton Albion were the visitors and the plucky little side nearly embarrassed the Clarets after coming from 3-1 down in the last seven minutes of normal time to force extra time. Burnley though made amends in extra time with some stunning goals to eventually come out 6-3 winners and it was a great night for Jay Rodriguez who netted four goals including two from the penalty spot. It will be a worry for Howe though that we have leaked five goals in two games and now have to stop the rot having just lost another experienced defender.

There is no doubt that we are currently depleted both in terms of quality and quantity in the squad at the moment compared to last season. We are now finding life a little difficult without the likes of Eagles. Mears and Cork and we can now probably add Fox to that list. In terms of numbers, we have also lost Steven Thompson. Grezza, Kevin McDonald, Chris Iwelumo and Clarke Carlisle. In total then nine players from last season are no longer with us having been released, sent out on loan or transferred.

Defenders, Mee and Trippier of course have both arrived on a season-long loan from Manchester City and winger Keith Treacly has been signed from Preston but we are still six players short. We are continually promised that new players will be arriving but with only a couple weeks left of the summer transfer window which closes at the end of August, time is running out and Clarets fans are getting more frustrated and anxious by the minute. The situation has also been made worse by the sad news that Martin Paterson has had a recurrence of the thigh injury that kept him sidelined for most of last season.

It is difficult to gauge how close some fans might be to venting their anger at the Board in the light of recent events but this game on Saturday against Palace could be pivotal to calming fears if things go well. However, if things start going tits up it could also be pivotal in causing potential uproar and even more unrest amongst the Clarets fans. Tensions could certainly be high at Selhurst Park and the Clarets badly need to put in an impressive performance and get three points on the board to restore some calm in what could be a pot-boiler.

Dougie Freedman`s Palace have also had an indifferent start to the season losing 2-1 away to newly promoted Peterborough in their opening game of the season. They were scheduled to play Crawley Town at home in midweek in the Carling Cup first round but that game was postponed due to the London riots so in one sense they could be more refreshed than Burnley for this clash.

Crystal Palace Team News:

Crystal Palace will still be without the suspended Dean Moxey. The full-back was red-carded at the end of last season and still has two games to sit out.

Nathaniel Clyne (foot) and Steffen Iversen (hamstring) will also be unavailable.

Peter Ramage, Ryan McGivern and Andrew Davies therefore look set to continue in defence after making their debuts in the opening-day defeat at Peterborough

Australian midfielder Mile Jedinak is also unlikely to be involved since he is still not fully fit.

Defender Lee Hills is a long-term absentee with a knee injury.

Player to watch: Peter Ramage

Ramage arrived at Selhurst Park earlier this month after agreeing a one-month loan from QPR. The 27 year old defender made his debut for the Eagles in their opening game of the season away to Posh. With the Eagles short of defenders due to injuries, the Clarets will be hoping to break them down and put the experienced former Newcastle defender under some pressure.

Burnley Team News:

Brian Easton looks set to start at left-back following the transfer of Danny Fox and both Alex MacDonald and Keith Treacy will be available for selection following their return from International duty in midweek. Both missed the Carling Cup game on Tuesday night.

Martin Paterson will be out for at least 3 months following a recurrence of a thigh injury which saw him substituted at half-time in the opener against Watford last Saturday. The latest news is that he will be seeking advice and treatment for the persistent injury from experts based in Germany.

Player to watch: Brian Easton

All eyes will probably be on Easton, hoping he can now earn himself a regular place at left-back following the loss of Danny Fox. It will certainly be a good test for him on Saturday assuming he gets selected and he might even give Eddie Howe some food for thought as he contemplates bringing in a new defender to replace Fox.

Team & Tactics

I would think the team very much picks itself for this one with Eddie Howe likely to opt for a similar starting eleven to his opening two matches against Watford and Burton. Obviously he will be without Fox now, but Easton seems a natural replacement at left-back. The other main question could be which wingers to use with Treacy now available again. Wade Elliott could be a casualty after a couple of indifferent performances although he did improve significantly in extra time on Tuesday night against Burton after a particularly woeful performance in normal time especially in the first half. Elliott though is on the verge of his 250th league appearance for the Clarets. It would be tough leaving Wallace out however but surely Treacy will start after his impressive goal-scoring cameo against Watford?

I would think our sixteen could look something like this:

Grant. Trippier, Amougou, Mee, Easton, Elliott, Treacy, McCann, Bartley (or Marney), Treacy, Austin, Rodriguez

Subs: Jensen, Edgar, Duff, Bartley (or Marney), Wallace

Ref Watch:

Wiltshire referee, Brendan Malone gets this one!

Match Prediction:

Nine of the last 14 league meetings have been drawn and we have not won at Selhurst Park in a decade. A win though would do us a power of good but will there be any after-effect on morale from the Fox loss in midweek? Think this has 2-2 draw stamped all over it. Anything less could mean a torrid time for the Board and we must avoid a tonking at all cost!

Next Match

Our next League game and a real test of our chances for promotion this season will come against Cardiff City at Turf Moor on Saturday 20th August

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Date:Friday August 12 2011

Time: 6:50PM

Your Comments

This is going to be an intriguing match in many ways! Could be one of those that defines our history or on the other hand it might just become another game, another day! At least Ill be there to see it all unfold!
I do now thik now we have, Rid of the players that did not want to play for burnley. with the exemption of thompson alexander Carlisle, but Eagles Fox , Mears, Cork, used burnley for their own means & presumed they where to good for us, thats my opinion, Andre Bikey is probibaly a great bloke, but please will some one teach him some pitch craft, be in the right place @ the right time
Albmaleaf claret
We are in danger of peeing all the players off if we are not careful. If you pay them peanuts via a stupid salary cap that is going to get even worse once FIFA Fair Play kicks-in, they will look elsewhere and we will be left with up-and-coming youth and unproven players! Not a recipe for success in the short-term and we need success in the short-term before the parachute money runs out! The Board will only have themselves to blame if this all goes tits up but I doubt some fans would blame them. To some they are god just because they are Burnley fans. (supposedly)
What is our wage cap Phil ?. The likes of Leicester and others who are paying stupid wages will atract players ^ good ones but will they play as a team. I do agree with you we need to steady the imbalane with a ctwo or three quality signings and soon. because we will become a bit of a joke
Albmaleaf claret
I don't know exactly but suspect sub-10k/week! Iwelumo was on 15k/ week last season and they were complaining he was one of the higher earners! We got shut of him, so why didn;t we spend that on Cork and pay an extra 7k/week to get him? No ambition and no thinking outside the box that's why!
Hope the lads win and cheer us up.
Grimsby Claret
TMP - would you do me a favour? I'm 100% in favour of anyone coming on here and expressing their own opinions, and I deeply respect all of the work you've done and carry on doing to create somewhere where we can say what we want, and debate and disagree amongst friends. But I am not very comfortable with words and views being put in other fans' mouths. Let them speak for themselves please. Besides, have you any evidence to substantiate your view that any Burnley fan thinks the Board are 'god'?
Couch Potato
All over the place CP.all over the place,at least until this week,when for the first time I have detected a seed change over the disgraceful and utterly crass decision to get rid of Fox! Folk are angry to the extent that even I didn't think possible and I welcome it with open arms
I wonder what Bill Shankley would have said if the board had said to him ime selling all your best players. Managers are powerless to keep players as long as stupid wages & overvalues for players are in existence, football is lke the housing market unrealistic, and the sooner clubs realise that the better
Albmaleaf claret
Of course it's unrealistic but until this club becomes unrealistic and joins in with the rest of them and takes a different sort of roller coaster ride, we will never compete and may as well ply our trade in League 1 now!
I'll just say again, letting people express their views for themselves is as important as them having that chance. Moving on... what is the goal, what is the desired endpoint of the anger? What I read on here seems pretty much multi-directional rather than focussed, and lacking in clearly articulated, achievable goals. Anger without structure to channel it almost always ends in tears. My view is that if you use a site like this to encourage anger, you have a responsibility to give it focus and some kind of process to move forward purposefully. Is there a plan? Can you write a manifesto that we can discuss?
Couch Potato
Not after 10:15pm and a bottle of red wine I cant! But maybe you can help me draft one in the Flora Sandes tomorrow before the 5th pint?lol. To have focus you have to have enough followers to agree with the basic intention. Until this week I thought that was going to be an impossible task,now I aint so sure
I Totaly disagree with your last statement, but we are not going to fall out about it i hope. When sven has gone Leicester Portsmouth go bust again lose players Southhampton do not do as well as they expect, hull end up no where, Cardiff reap their high wage bils over the past therr years or more & struggle to pay wages, lets just se how well positioned Burnley are. The Biblical Example comes into play here Many of these clubs are building their houses on sand, but ifeel burnley have always built their house on rock, also we have unlike some of the quick fix clubs we have a good development squad and a good youth system.
Albmaleaf claret
Burnley are not building their house on rock, how can they when the Board continually take the foundations away from Eddie.Devlopment squads are fine but they only tend to feed the bigger clubs as far as Burnley are concerned. Once they are good enough, they are off because there is nothing to keep them at the club
After sleeping on the Fox transfer i'm not angry but saddened the fact that this board will sell there soul if it meets with there valuation. So with the likes of McCann and Jrod on two year contracts where will these players be playing next season. Just hope we can get a result at Palace because if not the next home game wont be about the football more like the anger from the stands.
CP - I know you think TFM may be leading us astray but I can assure you he is more touch with the mainsteam of clarets fans than your good self, its not being driven by him, all he is doing is articulating his views which are more aligned than your own I think the words glass houses comes to mind me old mucker, your defiance and stand point and total defence for the board in what ever they do is completley out of touch with the mainstream view look at the posting on fox its the largest feedback I can remember it sees a turning point in the patience of the fans!! . TFM has EVERY right to portray his feeling as each of us do, your comments are always balanced and very reflective you are the voice of reason but Im sorry that doesn't necessarily make you right. I'm considering starting a protest against the current board and I will be asking members of this forum if they feel a protest for a change in strategy from the current board is something they would be interested in seeing happen more on that next week from me !
Easton comes in for the departed Fox, Edgar replaces Marney in mid-field, Treacy starts his first match for the Clarets, team line-ups: Burnley: Grant, Trippier, Easton, Amougou, Mee, Edgar, McCann, Wallace, Elliott, Rodriguez, Treacy. Subs: Duff, Marney, Bartley, Austin, Jensen. Crystal Palace: Speroni, Wright, Parr, McCarthy, Ambrose, Garvan, Scannell, Easter, McGivern, Tunchev, Ramage. Subs: Dikgacoi, Jedinak, Zaha, Andrew, Price.
Not a good start for Burnley....8 minutes gone Palace take the lead, Parr with the goal....Crystal Palace 1-0 Burnley.
Burnley have stepped up a gear, Trippier in with a great cross Rodriguez forces a good save from the Palace keeper.
Wallace fires in a free-kick and goes just wide.
Great save from the Palace keeper to deny Wallace, all kicking off between the players no cards shown.
Lack of concentration from Burnley nearly sees Palace doubling their lead.
Half-time: Crystal Palace 1-0 Burnley.
Second-half: Amougou clears off the goal line for the Clarets, Charlie Austin on for Edgar.
Easton gives away a penalty to Palace, Garvan takes and scores, sigh!!! Crystal Palace 2-0 Burnley.
Bartley comes on for Treacy.
Did I say at the beginning of the season, we look like we have a iron curtain defense? Looks more like a leaking bucket defense.
Grimsby Claret
Clarets Player said it was Mee who gave away the penalty not Easton. 767 Burnley following.
Grimsby Claret
Bartley sent off!
Grimsby Claret
Burnley's day goes from bad to worse Bartley hits out and gets a straight red card.
Full-time: Crystal Palace 2-0 Burnley, disappointing from the Clarets much work to be done.
I expect to see all the comments soon reading "its too soon to judge Easton" or "Its only the start of the season". We are losing to a team which last year were knocking on the door of administration and relegation!! How is Eddie meant to coach with such an imbalanced board strategy? They change their stance and opinion on matters on a monthly basis! "we don't have to sell" "we will sell at the right price" "Eddie will be given money to re-invest" "the premiership money will see this club going for many years" to name a few... I welcome debate within this forum and it is what made me join in the first place. I am also able to come up with my own opinion thankfully. You could consider ANYONE posting ANYTHING on this site whether on the thread or the thread itself to have an impact on another persons opinion, this is what creates debate and should be encouraged . I also think TMP does a fantastic job posting threads on this site from rumours to match-day previews KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Bartley should be fined 3 games if the ref got it right. Eddie knew Bartleys game is physical, I better shut up till Ive seen it on Clarets player . We dont want League one players signed next week we need Quality.
Grimsby Claret
OK Yorkshire, (Im A Yorkshire man too) Just one thing we all need to remember we are Burnley supporters. So we are all critical of the board manager and players at times, like when we play badly or sell a good player. But it sounds at times like some of us hate the board of directors even hate the Cube we need to remember we are Burnley supporters. It would be good to be positive about people who run the club at times. We all have knee-jerk reactions but it was not Jimmy Mac we sold last week, it was a left back a decent player maybe but we have had better and will again. I complain about Barry sometimes but still think he is the best chairman this club has had in my 45 years of going to turf moor and the stick he gets makes me more determined to post in his defense.
Grimsby Claret
Official site saying Mee was at fault for the penalty, Radio Lancs seemed to think it was Easton.
Hows your 1.8M looking now then BK et al. ? ..... Woeful simply Woeful !
Just a quick note, we have signed 19 year old Danny Ings as reported by Lancashire Telegraph. Fee could rise to 1million, could I yet be proven wrong?
Come on Board now, Give eddie some proper money, for Left back. centre half, midfielder weiss, striker please
Albmaleaf claret
Pleasse Please Please, A top class center half. 2 Quality midfielders, Left back, Please please board sanction 5 - 7 mil to fund this, By the way leicister got of to a bad start
Albmaleaf claret
Where the hell is our defence? 3 games 8 goals conceded. I was reading on the BFC website That Ings is close to signing for us, not really a goalscorer something like 8 goals in 28 games hmmm..
Just got back from the Palace game and there was not much to commend it I am afraid. We sort of played well between their two goals without ever really threatening but we were woeful before their first and after their second. Treacy became the invisible man, McCann does not look like a captain to me and I think the role is affecting his play. The rest were average. Early days but it must be clear now that we are going to struggle without any new quality players coming in
What are the odds, an interesting season fighting against relegation or for promotion. Sadly, I know where I would put my money.
Wow thanks for the compliments YC, makes it all worthwhile! We aim to please and we aim to allow all debate without petty censorship. Good to see BromptonClaret in the Flora Sandes pub today along with CP. One of these days CP will get his wish and actually see the lads win one away!!
Sat towards the back and kept a low profile at Selhurst Park today. A bit like Wade Elliott. Very impressed with Trippier and think TMP has it just about right. We started poorly, looked ok when a goal down but when we gave away the penalty it was goodnight nurse. Couple of half chances towards the end before Bartley needlessly got sent off. Thought Palace's opening goal was a belter.
The problem with Bartley getting sent off, is of course it now exposes our woefully low squad numbers compared to last season and gives us fewer options for the Cardiff game (and the 2 games after) with Bartley now suspended for three games. What you keeping a low profile for RT? lol!!
I belive we will have a couple of Midfield players in this week, Ime not a great fan of Bartley, he is quite quick but not yet seen him play good football?
Albmaleaf claret
RT's match analysis was spot on. I also thought it was Easton not Mee who conceded the pen, but it was down the other end, and tmp and I were in row 6, so I could be wrong... on this, as on so many other things it seems! :-) But in almost every other respect I thought Easton did well, and the bigger mistake leading to that goal moments before was a woeful pass into a very dangerous position from McCann. Eddie Howe's post-match comments, which I read just now, were spot on. As I said earlier in this thread, I am 100% behind tmp's management of this site, and 100% behind people coming on here and expressing widely differing, emotional and critical opinions. I just asked tmp towards the top of this thread (quite nicely I thought and in ways that were balanced with praise) to let people express their own opinions, not do that for them. I was specifically responding to his comment that "the Board will only have themselves to blame if this all goes tits up but I doubt some fans would blame them. To some they are god just because they are Burnley fans. (supposedly)". Forgive me, but I think you have missed that point, Hollins, in your very kind response. Yorkshire perhaps too? I would also stress that tmp and I had a very enjoyable drink before the game, watched it together, and walked back to the station together. Finally, in further response to Hollins, I am of course aware that I voice a view that is often different from many others. Though it's not unique even in this thread, and I would disagree that I always back the Board. One instance that you and I have discussed in the past, was BK's Prem Pledge, but there are others. I would have to be blind and deaf not to realise that many disagree with me. But, like you say, airing different views is the point of debate (and a founding principle of this site) and if this site becomes one where we have to all agree, I'll give up on it. (Loud cheers?) My one disappointment of my as always highly enjoyable time with tmp yesterday was that tmp and I did not manage to work out a coherently detailed plan about what a protest against the Board should specifically try to achieve, especially not in terms of change in Board personnel. Cuban has recently posted somewhere a comment about the lack of clarity, indeed contradiction, in what's being asked for in that context. I had thought about putting up an article to try to kick off debate to achieve more clarity in the protest, but now I very much look forward to you taking the lead Hollins, and contributing if I can. I'll end by observing that expressing anger is fine, but walking through the streets of Croydon reinforced my view that we all have to accept responsibility and be careful what we wish for... which was the title of an excellent article in a WTBM fanzine in the second half of last season.
Couch Potato
Sorry I didn't catch up with you yesterday Couch - or TMP who appeared to be resplendent in his new away kit. I was due to be in Row 7 but, to be honest, the leg room in the Arthur Wait is pretty woeful so I used the experience I have gleaned from my previous visits to find a more spacious spot elsewhere in the same stand. It was also handily placed for a swift exit. Agree with what you say - we don't all agree on here but that doesn't mean we can't exchange views and have a drink and a pint discussing things. I always enjoy reading your scribblings -even if at times I think you must live on the Planet Zog. Or in Lyme Regis !
Both RT!
Couch Potato
And, believe me, the disquiet can be heard in both!
Couch Potato

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