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The Coyle Conundrum!

Managerial changes at Bolton and now Burnley within a week have set up the intriguing possibility that Owen Coyle could be in the frame to make a return to Turf Moor. Chief Executive, Lees Hoos might have other ideas but the betting organisations have Coyle as firm favourite to take back the reins at the club. Sky Bet for example have installed Owen Coyle as the 7/4 favourite to be the next Burnley manager after Eddie Howe returned to Bournemouth on Friday.

What would the club think about bringing back a manager that stabbled them in the back and caused such bitterness back in January 2010 when he upped sticks to join Bolton and leave Burnley fighting a relegation battle they would subsequently lose?

What would the fans think about seeing Owen Coyle in the Burnley dugout again having nicknamed the guy 'Judas` (and worse) since that time? The frosty reception he received in the opening game of the season against Bolton at Turf Moor back in August show that the scars have certainly not fully healed despite the pleasure of seeing Coyle suffer relegation with Bolton at the end of last season. The glee of seeing Coyle then sacked as manager of Bolton earlier this month was plain to see on so many Clarets fans faces but little did we know that less than seven days later our own manager would be departing the club.

Could the unbelievable happen? Could we be singing 'Owen Coyle da da der da` once again or would that be too much for some of the fans? Would they protest or just refuse to go to games?

We will come to the case for the defence and prosecution as far as the fans are concerned in a moment but first of all what would the club do if Owen Coyle showed an interest in returning? Well the early indications are that it is probably a non-starter if you read between the lines of a recent statement from Chief Executive, Lee Hoos.

Hoos told BBC Radio Lancashire: 'Obviously I wasn't there when the whole Owen Coyle saga happened.

'But I got enough feedback to know that there was a very bitter aftertaste, and I just couldn't see a way back for that one.

"Being free and available is not necessarily the hallmark of what we are going for, it has to be the right person - the right man for right job at the right time."

Not looking good then which will please a lot of fans. Just like many I was one that found the departure of Owen Coyle and the rest back in January 2010 very hard to stomach particularly in the way it was done not to mention the false platitudes that had previously spouted from Coyle`s mouth about loyalty and wanting to achieve his long-term goals with Burnley FC. We shall never know fully why he left Burnley FC in the first place, there are so many stories. I heard one the other day that suggested he was crying when he left Turf Moor but that he had to go purely because the club would not provide the resources he needed to secure a better chance of survival for the club in the Premier League.

So what do I think now? Would I have him back? I have always taken the view that you should give everybody a second chance but not at any price and certainly if they mess up again then that`s it! But do we give someone the chance to mess up again though when they have already blotted their copybook and let the club down? If we did bring him back there would have to be a lot of apologising and peace-making with both the Board and fans and the right words would have to be said to give Coyle any chance of being remotely accepted back by the fans. Coyle would have to show humility and convince the fans that this time he would see through his and the club`s targets and goals and not up-sticks if the going got tough and funds were not available (and that is a highly likely scenario knowing this club) If he said the right things and could convince enough people though why not?

Let`s be brutally honest, the most exciting football we have seen at Turf Moor in recent times was under Coyle`s reign. Who can ever forget the joy of the play-offs and of course the Wembley victory in 2009? How could we ever forget those first few opening games of the Premier League season especially the victory at home against Manchester United thanks to that Robbie Blake goal? Of course it all went tits-up eventually and indeed was doing so under Coyle before he left. Yes he has his failings, tactically inept defensively probably but look what we have got now? No Plan B but did Laws and Howe?

Perhaps Owen Coyle might be a different person now having tasted the dizzy heights of Premier League football and failed plus now got the dreaded word 'relegation` on his CV. He might be less ambitious and more humble now but could he repeat the process and get Burnley promoted back to the Premier League? Lightening rarely strikes twice (and all that) which is another aspect of the prosecution`s case. Another ma lord, would be his inability to keep clubs in the top flight and that certainly has to be a worry. The fact remains though that he is a proven manager at Championship level if you count promotion as the criteria and we should not dismiss his possible return out of hand for that very reason. His energy, his motivation, his animation on the touchline are capable of raising spirits both on and off the pitch and this is something we have sadly missed both under Brian Laws and Eddie Howe. Our current Vital Burnley poll shows our posters split virtually 50:50 and of course that would still be a recipe for disaster with so many fans not accepting his return. What though would Coyle have to say or do to convince enough fans he means business this time and won`t let us down again? Perhaps there is nothing he can say or do but maybe we should give him a chance and not dismiss the prospect out of hand. The club at the end of the day can simply say 'no' assuming he even applies for the position.

I personally can`t see him returning even though something inside me deep down hopes that somehow he will after making amends and saying sorry for his previous misdemeanours.

What is clear is that we have to get the next appointment right after so many recent disasters. Surely we have to get the right man with the right experience and that has to be someone with proven ability in getting a Championship club promoted. But to do that we have to pay the going rate and is the club ambitious enough to do that or will it scour the lower leagues again for cheaper options? Think we may have had enough of failed Championship managers on the cheap (Brian Laws) and up-and-coming unproven talent (Eddie Howe). We could be facing a relegation battle at the moment and it is crucial we can bring someone in who can steady the ship, avoid the drop and propel the side up the table. To do that they will have to hit the ground running and I am not convinced taking someone from the lower leagues and throwing them in at the deep-end is the best option.

Owen Coyle da da der da? The happiest days of my life followed by the worst!!Will this saga ever come to an end amicably?

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Date:Saturday October 13 2012

Time: 11:50AM

Your Comments

Put simply. NO. Giving everyone a second chance is a deluded concept and just like many guilty men Coyle has no hope of a 2nd chance with me. Coyle WAS GUILTY.
VinRogue
Put simply. NO. Giving everyone a second chance is a deluded concept and just like many guilty men Coyle has no hope of a 2nd chance with me. Coyle WAS GUILTY.
VinRogue
My personal experience in life is that people given a second-chance try harder and generally succeed because they feel they have a point to prove. I was going to ask those who were currently anti-whether there was anything Coyle could do or say to change their mind and if so what?
turfmanphil
My personal experience in life is that people given a second-chance try harder and generally succeed because they feel they have a point to prove. I was going to ask those who were currently anti-whether there was anything Coyle could do or say to change their mind and if so what?
turfmanphil
Well if our priority is plugging the defence, Steve Cotterill also available would be able to fix that but he too suffered scorn from the Burnley fans towards the end (not me I hasten to add). No manager is perfect!
turfmanphil
Well if our priority is plugging the defence, Steve Cotterill also available would be able to fix that but he too suffered scorn from the Burnley fans towards the end (not me I hasten to add). No manager is perfect!
turfmanphil
Coyle is water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, So if he was to come back as our manager I wouldn't hold it against him,But Cotterill is a no from me. Dyer football isn't what we need at Burnley
Totally_Claret
Coyle is water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, So if he was to come back as our manager I wouldn't hold it against him,But Cotterill is a no from me. Dyer football isn't what we need at Burnley
Totally_Claret
Coyle certanly burned his bridges as far as I'm concerned, but if he did return, the level of expectation would be so high he'd have to hit the ground sprinting, otherwise dissent would rapidly rise to unbearable proportions from the crowd. You can't go back in life , and I can't for the life of me see him repeat that magic season, especially as defence is now the main focus of attention for our next manager. It's Mick McCarthy for me , but that's without any idea how much salary he'd expect, and whether the club could afford that. We'll just have to wait and see , as usual.
WelshClaret
Coyle certanly burned his bridges as far as I'm concerned, but if he did return, the level of expectation would be so high he'd have to hit the ground sprinting, otherwise dissent would rapidly rise to unbearable proportions from the crowd. You can't go back in life , and I can't for the life of me see him repeat that magic season, especially as defence is now the main focus of attention for our next manager. It's Mick McCarthy for me , but that's without any idea how much salary he'd expect, and whether the club could afford that. We'll just have to wait and see , as usual.
WelshClaret
why do we keep talking a bout Owen Coyle returning NO PLEASE Water under the bridge forget it when burnley where in the premiership he deserted us and left us a the most difficult time and we never recovered fro it. Brian Laws a much more Loyal person to Burnley was then made a skapegoat and left to do the best he could. I wish Owen coyle the best but not Back at Burnley fc
Albmaleaf claret
why do we keep talking a bout Owen Coyle returning NO PLEASE Water under the bridge forget it when burnley where in the premiership he deserted us and left us a the most difficult time and we never recovered fro it. Brian Laws a much more Loyal person to Burnley was then made a skapegoat and left to do the best he could. I wish Owen coyle the best but not Back at Burnley fc
Albmaleaf claret
have to say, he was the first name I thought of when I learnt that Howe was leaving. I am surprised that so many of you dont want him
oxfordspur
have to say, he was the first name I thought of when I learnt that Howe was leaving. I am surprised that so many of you dont want him
oxfordspur
After Lee Hoos's statement to the BBCwww this seems like an abstract debate. But since it's been started... Those offenders who try harder when given a second chance do so after admitting fault, showing remorse, listening to what their victims have to say about how they have hurt and damaged them, and doing what is suggested to them by their victims to put matters right. If Owen wants to do that, I'm prepared to listen. But he'd need to realise he's doing it purely for the sake of his own soul. I'd expect his next job to be at Airdrie, and I also reckon we'd be more likely to hear more self-promotional cock-and-bull than a genuine apology. On the subject of which, I've been thinking who's been voting on this site's poll saying they'd like him to be given a job... Owen? His Mum? Sandy Stewart? Sandy Shaw? Sandy Beach? Steve Davies? T'other Steve Davis? Anyone else I've forgotten?
Couch Potato
After Lee Hoos's statement to the BBCwww this seems like an abstract debate. But since it's been started... Those offenders who try harder when given a second chance do so after admitting fault, showing remorse, listening to what their victims have to say about how they have hurt and damaged them, and doing what is suggested to them by their victims to put matters right. If Owen wants to do that, I'm prepared to listen. But he'd need to realise he's doing it purely for the sake of his own soul. I'd expect his next job to be at Airdrie, and I also reckon we'd be more likely to hear more self-promotional cock-and-bull than a genuine apology. On the subject of which, I've been thinking who's been voting on this site's poll saying they'd like him to be given a job... Owen? His Mum? Sandy Stewart? Sandy Shaw? Sandy Beach? Steve Davies? T'other Steve Davis? Anyone else I've forgotten?
Couch Potato
I havn't voted as it is a pointless exercise. If you can't see why Coyle was sacked at Bolton then it is only blinkers that will allow you to see him at Burnley. Why not get back Robbie and his mates as they did well once upon a time and Coyle coming back is not a fairy story it would be a nightmare and I would not set foot inside turf moor until he went, I do feel quite strongly...........
VinRogue
I havn't voted as it is a pointless exercise. If you can't see why Coyle was sacked at Bolton then it is only blinkers that will allow you to see him at Burnley. Why not get back Robbie and his mates as they did well once upon a time and Coyle coming back is not a fairy story it would be a nightmare and I would not set foot inside turf moor until he went, I do feel quite strongly...........
VinRogue
Aye oxfordspur! Just goes to show how many fans he upset when he stuck the knife in our back! The strange thing is most Clarets fans wanted him to stay back in Jan 2010 despite having an awful away form and dropping down into the danger zone. The faith and belief we had in him evaporated overnight when he chose Bolton and it will take miracles to restore that faith! I can understand the anger and bitterness, I have it myself but never thought I would face the possibility of him coming back. We could do a lot worse than to hire him again in my humble opinion but its going to take a lot of convincing
turfmanphil
Aye oxfordspur! Just goes to show how many fans he upset when he stuck the knife in our back! The strange thing is most Clarets fans wanted him to stay back in Jan 2010 despite having an awful away form and dropping down into the danger zone. The faith and belief we had in him evaporated overnight when he chose Bolton and it will take miracles to restore that faith! I can understand the anger and bitterness, I have it myself but never thought I would face the possibility of him coming back. We could do a lot worse than to hire him again in my humble opinion but its going to take a lot of convincing
turfmanphil
Not a snowballs chance in hell. The board hopefully won't even think of the possibility of Judas coming back for more than a nano second. I would like to see Di Canio, for the passion he brings if nothing else, or McCarthy
CanadaClaret
Not a snowballs chance in hell. The board hopefully won't even think of the possibility of Judas coming back for more than a nano second. I would like to see Di Canio, for the passion he brings if nothing else, or McCarthy
CanadaClaret
NO TO COYLE ...............................................
grimsby claret
NO TO COYLE ...............................................
grimsby claret
I hate to say this but our most recent manager left us in one hell of a mess. With great expectations heralding his appointment we now find the team floundering in the bottom of the league. Without much ado he realized his failure to accomplish anything at Burnley and took the train out of town back to hearth and home. And what did he leave us with ? A poor and very shacky defence -- a goalkeeping staff who are somewhat suspect as to the needs of championship goalkeeping --one striker (thank heaven for that) and a bunch of other player who show no consistancy or comittment from week to week. Coyle may have left under a cloud of his own making but I do feel that is was the Board to blame for our presenrt situation by bringing in an inexperienced manager and wasting 20 months of loyal fan support I will go on record as saying that I don't want Coyle as manager and also doubt if OC could ever bring the fans around again to his side. Therefore the Board must look elsewhere for a manager who should be experienced at this level of competition ,who can shore up the defence as well as form this group of players into a cohesive and exciting team again
claretfromaway
I hate to say this but our most recent manager left us in one hell of a mess. With great expectations heralding his appointment we now find the team floundering in the bottom of the league. Without much ado he realized his failure to accomplish anything at Burnley and took the train out of town back to hearth and home. And what did he leave us with ? A poor and very shacky defence -- a goalkeeping staff who are somewhat suspect as to the needs of championship goalkeeping --one striker (thank heaven for that) and a bunch of other player who show no consistancy or comittment from week to week. Coyle may have left under a cloud of his own making but I do feel that is was the Board to blame for our presenrt situation by bringing in an inexperienced manager and wasting 20 months of loyal fan support I will go on record as saying that I don't want Coyle as manager and also doubt if OC could ever bring the fans around again to his side. Therefore the Board must look elsewhere for a manager who should be experienced at this level of competition ,who can shore up the defence as well as form this group of players into a cohesive and exciting team again
claretfromaway
Coyle - total NO! How could anyone ever trust him? Even if he hadn't left under such a cloud, he was losing his grip, and ran away, despite accepting a big challenge with us in the future and now has been found out at Bolton too! And actually, his excuses and repetitive sound bites got very wearing. We need to move on with an innovative manager and there are enough out there pick up where Eddie has progressed us to. Eddie has struggled a bit in the short term, though I feel he would have got us there with a little more time. I must say that we have lost a very sincere and genuine manager and I feel for him and the tough time he's been having. Best of luck Eddie an thanks for sharing some integrity with that has been very refreshing..
Mike Mada
Coyle - total NO! How could anyone ever trust him? Even if he hadn't left under such a cloud, he was losing his grip, and ran away, despite accepting a big challenge with us in the future and now has been found out at Bolton too! And actually, his excuses and repetitive sound bites got very wearing. We need to move on with an innovative manager and there are enough out there pick up where Eddie has progressed us to. Eddie has struggled a bit in the short term, though I feel he would have got us there with a little more time. I must say that we have lost a very sincere and genuine manager and I feel for him and the tough time he's been having. Best of luck Eddie an thanks for sharing some integrity with that has been very refreshing..
Mike Mada
I'm with you Canada. Di Canio for his passion and discipline to his players or McCarty for Experience and contacts in the game.
YorkshireClaret
I'm with you Canada. Di Canio for his passion and discipline to his players or McCarty for Experience and contacts in the game.
YorkshireClaret
We have some good talent when they are on top form, what they need now is a breath of fresh air to shake them up and get them winning games both ugly and good. 6 points off the play-offs with the top goal scorer in England in our midst, we must offer the new man a pot of gold if he gets us promoted, which should ensure we can get someone above average!
VinRogue
We have some good talent when they are on top form, what they need now is a breath of fresh air to shake them up and get them winning games both ugly and good. 6 points off the play-offs with the top goal scorer in England in our midst, we must offer the new man a pot of gold if he gets us promoted, which should ensure we can get someone above average!
VinRogue
What we need is a manager who can motivate those self same players that had the passion and desire to beat Bolton on the opening day of the season but this time in every game. I hate to say it but the last time we had a manager who gave players such motivation and had them punching above their weight it was under Coyle! I don't recall seeing such under any previous manager nor since. If its not Coyle we need someone with the same ability who can mould a team out of the players we have got and then bring in his own additions. We might be three points off the drop zone but we are also only six points away from the play-offs positions and our season can still be rescued if the Board are not blinkered by cheapness and bring in the right quality of manager with the right level of experience!
turfmanphil
What we need is a manager who can motivate those self same players that had the passion and desire to beat Bolton on the opening day of the season but this time in every game. I hate to say it but the last time we had a manager who gave players such motivation and had them punching above their weight it was under Coyle! I don't recall seeing such under any previous manager nor since. If its not Coyle we need someone with the same ability who can mould a team out of the players we have got and then bring in his own additions. We might be three points off the drop zone but we are also only six points away from the play-offs positions and our season can still be rescued if the Board are not blinkered by cheapness and bring in the right quality of manager with the right level of experience!
turfmanphil
That one crossed with VRs I think,and I agree totally with his last post.
turfmanphil
That one crossed with VRs I think,and I agree totally with his last post.
turfmanphil
Coyle is the one who crossed the line of no return as did Davis. BUT THE MAJORITY ON HERE ARE SAYING ABSOLuUTELY YES to having Judas back Acording to the POLL??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
grimsby claret
Coyle is the one who crossed the line of no return as did Davis. BUT THE MAJORITY ON HERE ARE SAYING ABSOLuUTELY YES to having Judas back Acording to the POLL??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
grimsby claret
Does anyone think that Coyle would actually want the job? My impression was that he was aiming for a media job. Lots of bluster, no responsibility, win or lose lots of public acclaim, not to mention the money from doing relatively nothing.
cornwallclaret
Does anyone think that Coyle would actually want the job? My impression was that he was aiming for a media job. Lots of bluster, no responsibility, win or lose lots of public acclaim, not to mention the money from doing relatively nothing.
cornwallclaret
I doubt it's the majority on here or most Burnley fans gc anyone can click on the polls including rival fans and we wouldn't know who they were, think this is a pointless debate really Susan won't be coming back full-stop, Appleton now installed as the early favourite with the bookies with Micky Mellon and Keith Hill follow closely behind, we will see but would prefer a bit more experience myself.
8clarets8
I doubt it's the majority on here or most Burnley fans gc anyone can click on the polls including rival fans and we wouldn't know who they were, think this is a pointless debate really Susan won't be coming back full-stop, Appleton now installed as the early favourite with the bookies with Micky Mellon and Keith Hill follow closely behind, we will see but would prefer a bit more experience myself.
8clarets8
Lsten back to Radio5Live from Sheffield this evening to hear what i think...
whentheballmoves
Lsten back to Radio5Live from Sheffield this evening to hear what i think...
whentheballmoves
I was driving away from Sheffield when you came on the radio Barnsey, well done you came across well and it was a good quip :) Anyone for Danny Wilson as the 'experienced candidate', thought he was desperately unlucky not to get Sheff Utd promoted last year. Appleton a strong candidate too.
cubanclaret
I was driving away from Sheffield when you came on the radio Barnsey, well done you came across well and it was a good quip :) Anyone for Danny Wilson as the 'experienced candidate', thought he was desperately unlucky not to get Sheff Utd promoted last year. Appleton a strong candidate too.
cubanclaret
Pointless maybe, a shame definitely!!
turfmanphil
Pointless maybe, a shame definitely!!
turfmanphil
As for the poll, 46% non-Clarets voting?
turfmanphil
As for the poll, 46% non-Clarets voting?
turfmanphil
Coyle way too contoversial. Those votes must be from Noblot fans. Still give McCarthy my vote but Cuban may have the best alternative.
AndyHo
Coyle way too contoversial. Those votes must be from Noblot fans. Still give McCarthy my vote but Cuban may have the best alternative.
AndyHo
Why a shame tmp? what's the point in going back over old hunting grounds for a man who left us in the lurch to go to higher places in his mind and took all our staff and arguably some of our best players for peanuts or am I forget this if he comes out and says he made mistakes? granted we all make mistakes but he knew what he was doing at the time and left us in the lurch big time had he have stayed and we got relegated that wouldn't have mattered we would have still been behind him but no he chose to do one and to a local rival at that, read back on who would want him on this thread it just wouldn't work there is to much against him and Hoo's and co know this besides the fact if he was installed he is not the most defensive minded manager about.
8clarets8
Why a shame tmp? what's the point in going back over old hunting grounds for a man who left us in the lurch to go to higher places in his mind and took all our staff and arguably some of our best players for peanuts or am I forget this if he comes out and says he made mistakes? granted we all make mistakes but he knew what he was doing at the time and left us in the lurch big time had he have stayed and we got relegated that wouldn't have mattered we would have still been behind him but no he chose to do one and to a local rival at that, read back on who would want him on this thread it just wouldn't work there is to much against him and Hoo's and co know this besides the fact if he was installed he is not the most defensive minded manager about.
8clarets8
The point is we could be missing the best opportunity to get this club promoted by a manager who is experienced and qualified in getting promotion..our own club! It's a unique situation, one we should not dismiss and scoff out of hand just because of past misdemeanours and failings! Not to give someone a second chance just for the sake of it, is a mistake in my opinion! This guy, Coyle gave me the best time I can remember being a Claret, he might do it again! Id rather risk that than some unproven manager from the lower leagues
turfmanphil
The point is we could be missing the best opportunity to get this club promoted by a manager who is experienced and qualified in getting promotion..our own club! It's a unique situation, one we should not dismiss and scoff out of hand just because of past misdemeanours and failings! Not to give someone a second chance just for the sake of it, is a mistake in my opinion! This guy, Coyle gave me the best time I can remember being a Claret, he might do it again! Id rather risk that than some unproven manager from the lower leagues
turfmanphil
I do realise what you are saying but your flogging a dead donkey it won't happen and shouldn't happen for so many reasons call it narrow minded or whatever you will the people of Burnley won't have it...that's not a dig at anybody far from it they just won't we are stuck in our ways and don't forget stuff....no one likes us we don't care!
8clarets8
I do realise what you are saying but your flogging a dead donkey it won't happen and shouldn't happen for so many reasons call it narrow minded or whatever you will the people of Burnley won't have it...that's not a dig at anybody far from it they just won't we are stuck in our ways and don't forget stuff....no one likes us we don't care!
8clarets8
Certainly stuck in our ways, which is why we have been stuck with a board for 50 years that is incapable of thinking outside the box and showing some ambition! If the fans won't accept possibly the best chance of getting this club promoted again then that shows what problems we face! Bring on the next unknown. I suppose Coyle was an unknown when he arrived..but then lightening never strikes twice does it? ;-) [Edited by turfmanphil]
turfmanphil
Certainly stuck in our ways, which is why we have been stuck with a board for 50 years that is incapable of thinking outside the box and showing some ambition! If the fans won't accept possibly the best chance of getting this club promoted again then that shows what problems we face! Bring on the next unknown. I suppose Coyle was an unknown when he arrived..but then lightening never strikes twice does it? ;-) [Edited by turfmanphil]
turfmanphil
Don't reckon Coyle would take it anyway. He saw the lack of ambition and jumped. He's turned out to be an average manager. We went up on the back of a good run, and blew our chance. It will be some nobody from the lower leagues, which quite frankly is where we are heading.
pmh200111
Don't reckon Coyle would take it anyway. He saw the lack of ambition and jumped. He's turned out to be an average manager. We went up on the back of a good run, and blew our chance. It will be some nobody from the lower leagues, which quite frankly is where we are heading.
pmh200111
I can also agree what pmh said what's needed is a high profile name someone to get people up beat again we are down in the dumps and need lifting, I would put Stan the man in if we are going over old managers.
8clarets8
I can also agree what pmh said what's needed is a high profile name someone to get people up beat again we are down in the dumps and need lifting, I would put Stan the man in if we are going over old managers.
8clarets8
If Coyle is on the Turf again this season, then I will not be. Rationally though, how many managers have done better second time, very few, and for reasons I put on the other thread I think Coyle would be a complete disaster. And thank heavens I have been in Canada for 5 weeks and have missed Barnsey on 5 live. Life is full of small mercies.
CrosspoolClarets
If Coyle is on the Turf again this season, then I will not be. Rationally though, how many managers have done better second time, very few, and for reasons I put on the other thread I think Coyle would be a complete disaster. And thank heavens I have been in Canada for 5 weeks and have missed Barnsey on 5 live. Life is full of small mercies.
CrosspoolClarets
I suppose being a life time Burnley sdupporter born there in 1962 i have moved away now but Burnley fc is special to me as many others my great uncle Cecil Sith played centre forward 1932 - 35 so i am passionate and would love to se a manager here of quality who has a love as many of us fans do. Owen Coyle was not loyal the nearest we came to that was Stan and that is the kind of love our next manager needs to have for our club. wishfull thinking i think
Albmaleaf claret
I suppose being a life time Burnley sdupporter born there in 1962 i have moved away now but Burnley fc is special to me as many others my great uncle Cecil Sith played centre forward 1932 - 35 so i am passionate and would love to se a manager here of quality who has a love as many of us fans do. Owen Coyle was not loyal the nearest we came to that was Stan and that is the kind of love our next manager needs to have for our club. wishfull thinking i think
Albmaleaf claret
What did Barnsey say? Also, since the term seems to be used quite freely these days by various people to back up various arguments, could somebody define the term 'ambition'? Absent a definition the term's become pretty much meaningless.
Couch Potato
What did Barnsey say? Also, since the term seems to be used quite freely these days by various people to back up various arguments, could somebody define the term 'ambition'? Absent a definition the term's become pretty much meaningless.
Couch Potato
This in the Mail-'Owen Coyle's return to management with his former club Burnley is likely to be confirmed next week. Coyle, sacked by Bolton last week, will be welcomed back to Turf Moor when a compensation package with his former employers is finalised' Saturday. Mike, with due respect quite a lot of Clarets fans would relish Coyle returning
turfmanphil
This in the Mail-'Owen Coyle's return to management with his former club Burnley is likely to be confirmed next week. Coyle, sacked by Bolton last week, will be welcomed back to Turf Moor when a compensation package with his former employers is finalised' Saturday. Mike, with due respect quite a lot of Clarets fans would relish Coyle returning
turfmanphil
'Coyle going back to Burnley' on Talksport this morning. If he does, he's got more front than Sainsburys .
WelshClaret
'Coyle going back to Burnley' on Talksport this morning. If he does, he's got more front than Sainsburys .
WelshClaret
Media is full of it today! I know many will disagree but its the most logical thing to happen..I still don't think it will though!!
turfmanphil
Media is full of it today! I know many will disagree but its the most logical thing to happen..I still don't think it will though!!
turfmanphil
would be intresting to see what the players make of coyle comming back with the likes of patto and mc cann and the beast playing under him. if he was appointed and he hit the ground running and we ended up at the top of the league would they haters still hate him? my mate says there is nothing more two faced than a football fan i for one would welcome him back if he brought that free flowing football we played under him first time round...i actually enjoyed paying to see it. its not about him (coyle) its burnley football club thats the most important and if he can lift the players spirits and get them playing as a unit then im all up for that. the board are as much blame too with the total disregard to our club, total lack off ambition and i actually thik that the board dont want promotion as they ***** their pants when they think of the wages going up!
jasper76
would be intresting to see what the players make of coyle comming back with the likes of patto and mc cann and the beast playing under him. if he was appointed and he hit the ground running and we ended up at the top of the league would they haters still hate him? my mate says there is nothing more two faced than a football fan i for one would welcome him back if he brought that free flowing football we played under him first time round...i actually enjoyed paying to see it. its not about him (coyle) its burnley football club thats the most important and if he can lift the players spirits and get them playing as a unit then im all up for that. the board are as much blame too with the total disregard to our club, total lack off ambition and i actually thik that the board dont want promotion as they ***** their pants when they think of the wages going up!
jasper76
Well said Jasper!! Welcome to VB as well!! ;-)
turfmanphil
Well said Jasper!! Welcome to VB as well!! ;-)
turfmanphil
cheers .been following vital for a while now...most entertaining
jasper76
cheers .been following vital for a while now...most entertaining
jasper76
We like to please, Jasper. Thanks for the compliments and contributions, makes it all worthwhile!
turfmanphil
We like to please, Jasper. Thanks for the compliments and contributions, makes it all worthwhile!
turfmanphil
Welcome jasper, you and Phil need to remember this Coyle was given millions an millions to spend at Bolton and he got them Relegated. Against Bolton first match of the season the Longside sang He'will take you down again.
grimsby claret
Welcome jasper, you and Phil need to remember this Coyle was given millions an millions to spend at Bolton and he got them Relegated. Against Bolton first match of the season the Longside sang He'will take you down again.
grimsby claret
He also got them to the FA Cup semi-final to add to the one against Spurs for us in the Carling Cup! He has taken us to Wembley for the play-offs and got us promoted to the top flight for the first time in 33 years..I repeat 33 FERKIN LONG YEARS! The football at times was amazing to watch and so exciting! There was nothing as good previous or since in my opinion (I was too young to remember the early 60s)
turfmanphil
He also got them to the FA Cup semi-final to add to the one against Spurs for us in the Carling Cup! He has taken us to Wembley for the play-offs and got us promoted to the top flight for the first time in 33 years..I repeat 33 FERKIN LONG YEARS! The football at times was amazing to watch and so exciting! There was nothing as good previous or since in my opinion (I was too young to remember the early 60s)
turfmanphil
I hope Coyle's agent is paying you for all this free publicity tmp ;)
8clarets8
I hope Coyle's agent is paying you for all this free publicity tmp ;)
8clarets8
Deluded.
VinRogue
Deluded.
VinRogue
Howe's departure was a blessing in disguise. He jumped before he was pushed. He simply wasn't up to it at this level. Give us an experienced Championship manager like McCarthy.
snorbens claret
Howe's departure was a blessing in disguise. He jumped before he was pushed. He simply wasn't up to it at this level. Give us an experienced Championship manager like McCarthy.
snorbens claret
Delusion is believing nobody is capable of being sorry and making amends!
turfmanphil
Delusion is believing nobody is capable of being sorry and making amends!
turfmanphil
In answer to J76's question, Beast praises Coyle in his book, which I recommend. But it was Laws who gave Beast a pay rise, after he'd been on peanuts under Stan, Cotts and Coyle, and Beast also says in his book he wasn't impressed by the way Coyle left. In footballing terms in the here and now, Coyle's strength is short-term motivational impact, which might be valuable at the moment. He may also be a good fit with a squad that scores a lot but can't defend for love or money. Cast your mind back to how we were all screaming for him to develop a Plan B in the two months before he walked. Apparently he did develop one at the Reebok, which the locals described as lump and run. You have been warned on all fronts. Anyway, I am a Board loyalist, on the basis that none of us really has a clue about the full detail, and because all of us are 100% lacking in what many are calling for: experience. So I will get behind anyone they appoint , while holding my nose bigtime if it's Coyle, and continuing to turn the telly off when he's being interviewed. But I'd suggest to the Board that if they are really doing this, rather than laughing their socks off while Owen's agent spins the media who think its a big laugh to string him along too, they not give him more than 18 months on a contract, as he's never done anything well for that long, as player or manager.
Couch Potato
In answer to J76's question, Beast praises Coyle in his book, which I recommend. But it was Laws who gave Beast a pay rise, after he'd been on peanuts under Stan, Cotts and Coyle, and Beast also says in his book he wasn't impressed by the way Coyle left. In footballing terms in the here and now, Coyle's strength is short-term motivational impact, which might be valuable at the moment. He may also be a good fit with a squad that scores a lot but can't defend for love or money. Cast your mind back to how we were all screaming for him to develop a Plan B in the two months before he walked. Apparently he did develop one at the Reebok, which the locals described as lump and run. You have been warned on all fronts. Anyway, I am a Board loyalist, on the basis that none of us really has a clue about the full detail, and because all of us are 100% lacking in what many are calling for: experience. So I will get behind anyone they appoint , while holding my nose bigtime if it's Coyle, and continuing to turn the telly off when he's being interviewed. But I'd suggest to the Board that if they are really doing this, rather than laughing their socks off while Owen's agent spins the media who think its a big laugh to string him along too, they not give him more than 18 months on a contract, as he's never done anything well for that long, as player or manager.
Couch Potato
Don't complicate things CP! Ask yourself which period of recent history ie 2000s gave you the most pleasure! COYLE!!
turfmanphil
Don't complicate things CP! Ask yourself which period of recent history ie 2000s gave you the most pleasure! COYLE!!
turfmanphil
For me it was about 20 games with Coyle as manager, I certainly did not enjoy getting stuffed in the Prem League and seeing the team going downhill under his leadership. I did not enjoy conceding farcical goals in the championship eiher. It wasn't all roses with Coyle which is why I use the word deluded and will contine to do so whilst also asking what was his record at Bolton prior to getting sacked? They are facts.
VinRogue
For me it was about 20 games with Coyle as manager, I certainly did not enjoy getting stuffed in the Prem League and seeing the team going downhill under his leadership. I did not enjoy conceding farcical goals in the championship eiher. It wasn't all roses with Coyle which is why I use the word deluded and will contine to do so whilst also asking what was his record at Bolton prior to getting sacked? They are facts.
VinRogue
Simple question VR did you want him to leave in January 2010?
turfmanphil
Simple question VR did you want him to leave in January 2010?
turfmanphil
hi grimsby claret you have a valid point but he also lost some of the top players how much has EH spent during his reign 9 million + for a return of 6 wins in 30 and a few draws, whoever takes over will inherit a good squad so that man has to be a motivator and the fans have to get behind them..whoever the new manager is
jasper76
hi grimsby claret you have a valid point but he also lost some of the top players how much has EH spent during his reign 9 million + for a return of 6 wins in 30 and a few draws, whoever takes over will inherit a good squad so that man has to be a motivator and the fans have to get behind them..whoever the new manager is
jasper76
No I did not want him to leave.
VinRogue
No I did not want him to leave.
VinRogue
OK here's my best offer to Coyle. Work for free till Xmas, and live off Gartside's money till then. If fans have been won round by then, we'll talk. If not, we'll get someone in who knows what they're doing while there's still time to sort it out. Show your loyalty and that you've changed by signing a contract promising you won't discuss details of the arrangement with anyone. Oh, and cut out the shorts and long socks, and leave the post-match interviews to someone else.
Couch Potato
OK here's my best offer to Coyle. Work for free till Xmas, and live off Gartside's money till then. If fans have been won round by then, we'll talk. If not, we'll get someone in who knows what they're doing while there's still time to sort it out. Show your loyalty and that you've changed by signing a contract promising you won't discuss details of the arrangement with anyone. Oh, and cut out the shorts and long socks, and leave the post-match interviews to someone else.
Couch Potato
None of us wanted him to leave but he did and that's the bitter taste that still languishes, I still can't bear to watch him on the tv even after all this time I have to switch over, he thought the grass was greener on the other side and bailed out simple as, it's easy to forget what happened but some things stick in your mind, yes I am still bitter most likely because I have higher standards of loyalty than him I can't fault him for that it's just the way some people are, he made his bed now let him lie in it and give up the ghost and lets move on....Jimmy Mullen???
8clarets8
None of us wanted him to leave but he did and that's the bitter taste that still languishes, I still can't bear to watch him on the tv even after all this time I have to switch over, he thought the grass was greener on the other side and bailed out simple as, it's easy to forget what happened but some things stick in your mind, yes I am still bitter most likely because I have higher standards of loyalty than him I can't fault him for that it's just the way some people are, he made his bed now let him lie in it and give up the ghost and lets move on....Jimmy Mullen???
8clarets8
I agree with 8c8. In 12 months time how would you feel if he left us in the lurch again, tempted by bigger and better. He will never win me over, treason is treason and does not have a 2nd chance in my book. So often I have read on here if he had stayed we would have survived, it was his choice to leave my club without a coach or even a kit man. Integrity, for what he did after MK Dons (see his mum) the man is worthy of Celtic or Scotland but never again BURNLEY FOOTBALL CLUB.
VinRogue
I agree with 8c8. In 12 months time how would you feel if he left us in the lurch again, tempted by bigger and better. He will never win me over, treason is treason and does not have a 2nd chance in my book. So often I have read on here if he had stayed we would have survived, it was his choice to leave my club without a coach or even a kit man. Integrity, for what he did after MK Dons (see his mum) the man is worthy of Celtic or Scotland but never again BURNLEY FOOTBALL CLUB.
VinRogue
We have to answer that would he have kept us up? one win away at Wigan would have done but we will never know but I think he may have done but that's all the by and by now or bye and bye no thanks Mr Coyle, good for hits though tmp on your one man crusade ;)
8clarets8
We have to answer that would he have kept us up? one win away at Wigan would have done but we will never know but I think he may have done but that's all the by and by now or bye and bye no thanks Mr Coyle, good for hits though tmp on your one man crusade ;)
8clarets8
I can hardly wait till Coyle comes back as this is the most interesting this forum has been since he left. Can you imagine the tantrums should he take over at Burnley and lose the first game at Bristol or Cardiff
claretfromaway
I can hardly wait till Coyle comes back as this is the most interesting this forum has been since he left. Can you imagine the tantrums should he take over at Burnley and lose the first game at Bristol or Cardiff
claretfromaway
Could the first game be on turf and tv against Bpool? Not a nice thought first thing on a Monday.
Couch Potato
Could the first game be on turf and tv against Bpool? Not a nice thought first thing on a Monday.
Couch Potato
Terry Pashley and Andy Farrell will be in charge v Blackpool.
VinRogue
Terry Pashley and Andy Farrell will be in charge v Blackpool.
VinRogue
Don't think people can count, this is by no means a one-man crusade! You would see that not just on this site but across the whole of the Clarets World internet as well as our poll. I think Coyle would have kept us up, purely by motivating the team to pick up a few extra points at home. Coyle was God let's not forget that even up to the the month he left! We didn't want him to go, despite our predicament by then! People were saying even if we were relegated, Coyle would be safe because of what he had already achieved at the club (33 years!!). This is all about forgetting and forgiving and giving someone a second chance thats all
turfmanphil
Don't think people can count, this is by no means a one-man crusade! You would see that not just on this site but across the whole of the Clarets World internet as well as our poll. I think Coyle would have kept us up, purely by motivating the team to pick up a few extra points at home. Coyle was God let's not forget that even up to the the month he left! We didn't want him to go, despite our predicament by then! People were saying even if we were relegated, Coyle would be safe because of what he had already achieved at the club (33 years!!). This is all about forgetting and forgiving and giving someone a second chance thats all
turfmanphil
Coyle was never a god. He was, and is, a flawed man with a hyperactive PR department. In the months just prior to his departure he was a very naughty boy for not having developed a Plan B. Then he became a very, very naughty boy.
Couch Potato
Coyle was never a god. He was, and is, a flawed man with a hyperactive PR department. In the months just prior to his departure he was a very naughty boy for not having developed a Plan B. Then he became a very, very naughty boy.
Couch Potato
Think you need to go back and read the Vital Burnley archive and look at what we were saying before he did the dirty that month. You only have to look at the effect it had on Burnley FC when he left! The whole place fell apart, which just shows what influence he was having on the club and fans. It might have eventually gone tits-up, who knows but if anybody was going to keep us up that season it was Coyle
turfmanphil
Think you need to go back and read the Vital Burnley archive and look at what we were saying before he did the dirty that month. You only have to look at the effect it had on Burnley FC when he left! The whole place fell apart, which just shows what influence he was having on the club and fans. It might have eventually gone tits-up, who knows but if anybody was going to keep us up that season it was Coyle
turfmanphil
Just because we were prepared to overlook his failings, and to live on the memory of successes earlier in the season and beforehand, does not mean we should be willing to overlook them now. The analogy of a relationship was often used. It can be hard to part with an abusive partner, or one you just argue with all the time, but eventually you recognise that your judgement was flawed at the time and you have made the right choice. Also, we'd have been upset at Brian Laws if he'd slunk off at such an incredibly awkward time and in such an incredibly disruptive way. So great was the misery Coyle caused that no-one was thinking straight, and we wanted something/anything to latch on to that felt postive, which at the time was the memories from months earlier, rather than the recent form, which the VB archive will bear out people were talking more and more about being underpinned by obstinacy and lack of tactical nous. Whose round is it?
Couch Potato
Just because we were prepared to overlook his failings, and to live on the memory of successes earlier in the season and beforehand, does not mean we should be willing to overlook them now. The analogy of a relationship was often used. It can be hard to part with an abusive partner, or one you just argue with all the time, but eventually you recognise that your judgement was flawed at the time and you have made the right choice. Also, we'd have been upset at Brian Laws if he'd slunk off at such an incredibly awkward time and in such an incredibly disruptive way. So great was the misery Coyle caused that no-one was thinking straight, and we wanted something/anything to latch on to that felt postive, which at the time was the memories from months earlier, rather than the recent form, which the VB archive will bear out people were talking more and more about being underpinned by obstinacy and lack of tactical nous. Whose round is it?
Couch Potato
Mine's a Stella Couch, or any fine real ale if they've got it . If I was sat next to you at the pub, I'd be saying . . . . 'what he said' . Are you coming down for the Cardiff match by the way ? There are some good pubs not far from the station.
WelshClaret
Mine's a Stella Couch, or any fine real ale if they've got it . If I was sat next to you at the pub, I'd be saying . . . . 'what he said' . Are you coming down for the Cardiff match by the way ? There are some good pubs not far from the station.
WelshClaret
I was hoping to go Cardiff this time! One to cross off the list. hell of a trek though whether I go from up north or Cambs! Anybody fancy driving and Ill share the petrol?
turfmanphil
I was hoping to go Cardiff this time! One to cross off the list. hell of a trek though whether I go from up north or Cambs! Anybody fancy driving and Ill share the petrol?
turfmanphil
Coyle's record surely spoke for itself in the end! One Wembley promotion to top flight(first time in 33 years), one Carling Cup semi-final narrowly lost to Spurs over two legs, one FA Cup semi-final with Bolton and manager of a Championship team defeating the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea in a breathtaking season that raised the spirits of the whole town! Lest we forget!
turfmanphil
Coyle's record surely spoke for itself in the end! One Wembley promotion to top flight(first time in 33 years), one Carling Cup semi-final narrowly lost to Spurs over two legs, one FA Cup semi-final with Bolton and manager of a Championship team defeating the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea in a breathtaking season that raised the spirits of the whole town! Lest we forget!
turfmanphil
Sadly I had committed to being elsewhere, Welsh, before the Cardiff date was announced.
Couch Potato
Sadly I had committed to being elsewhere, Welsh, before the Cardiff date was announced.
Couch Potato
Wow well this thread was a good idea, this will be the 70th post! Coyle down to 4th favourite now, still amazing considering
turfmanphil
Wow well this thread was a good idea, this will be the 70th post! Coyle down to 4th favourite now, still amazing considering
turfmanphil
It is precisely those triumphs, tmp, that make his tragic flaws, er, tragic on an operatic scale. For us as individuals, they make the unresolved tension between our yearnings and our disgust almost impossible to live with. For us as a community of fans, they mean that we can only be reconciled in our warring opinions once he has realised that the only way he can vanquish his ego-driven greed and fantasy is in that ultimate marker of operatic greatness, an accidental and grisly death (or these days its politically correct equivalent). So, I continue to struggle towards achieving that in my imagination with the long-promised scene-by-scene outline of an opera for someone else to set to music. Can I hear you thinking that Widdup Reservoir on a frozen night be an even more dramatic setting after a second coming? Better make mine a double, Welsh!
Couch Potato
It is precisely those triumphs, tmp, that make his tragic flaws, er, tragic on an operatic scale. For us as individuals, they make the unresolved tension between our yearnings and our disgust almost impossible to live with. For us as a community of fans, they mean that we can only be reconciled in our warring opinions once he has realised that the only way he can vanquish his ego-driven greed and fantasy is in that ultimate marker of operatic greatness, an accidental and grisly death (or these days its politically correct equivalent). So, I continue to struggle towards achieving that in my imagination with the long-promised scene-by-scene outline of an opera for someone else to set to music. Can I hear you thinking that Widdup Reservoir on a frozen night be an even more dramatic setting after a second coming? Better make mine a double, Welsh!
Couch Potato
I would rather have Agent Keane, at least he was a man with integrity. Just ask a Bolton fan for a summary of Coyle, I am sure they are over the moon they got pumped by Stoke in a semi final, relegated, couldn't keep players and are £100,000,000 in the red with 11 points from 10 games. Everything is not black and white, would a Pompey fan be happy to see his club go out of the league for ever, safe in the knowledge they won a cup, or would they swap that cup for survival? I would have been happy to be relegated with Coyle at the helm, but remember posting he would then only get till December to have us in position to yo yo.
VinRogue
I would rather have Agent Keane, at least he was a man with integrity. Just ask a Bolton fan for a summary of Coyle, I am sure they are over the moon they got pumped by Stoke in a semi final, relegated, couldn't keep players and are £100,000,000 in the red with 11 points from 10 games. Everything is not black and white, would a Pompey fan be happy to see his club go out of the league for ever, safe in the knowledge they won a cup, or would they swap that cup for survival? I would have been happy to be relegated with Coyle at the helm, but remember posting he would then only get till December to have us in position to yo yo.
VinRogue
Its Black and White to me, after 33 years of Black he gave me a season of White!! Bright white! Something no manager had done previously or since! Id rather trust in a 'white' manager than one an unknown grey!
turfmanphil
Its Black and White to me, after 33 years of Black he gave me a season of White!! Bright white! Something no manager had done previously or since! Id rather trust in a 'white' manager than one an unknown grey!
turfmanphil
A season. Deluded.
VinRogue
A season. Deluded.
VinRogue
 

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