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Howe to Ponder Pogba?
Eddie Howe was watching a Reserves game between Manchester United and Fulham on Monday night at Altrincham`s Moss Road ground. United went top of the Premier Reserve League after beating the London outfit but Howe was more interested in the performance of some of the United players on show. It is thought that he might be particularly keen in bringing hot prospect, Paul Pogba to Turf Moor on loan. The 18 year old French man has yet to make his first-team debut for the Red Devils but he is highly rated and has already represented France at U16, U17, U18 and U19 level. The powerful midfielder can play both offensively and defensively and is known for his dribbling skills and eye for goal. Some have even suggested he could be a future Patrick Vieira or Abou Diaby.
Pogba seems to be close to making his debut for United and could be involved in their Carling Cup third round clash at Leeds United next week and maybe future rounds if he continues to impress.
Sir Alex had this to say recently about his rising starlet:
"Pogba`s in the first-team training set-up now, so that`s the first step,
"After that, it`ll likely depend on when we decide to make changes. He`ll probably be involved in the League Cup and that`ll be his chance to establish himself in the squad."
If Pogba is so close to making his United breakthrough, you would think Sir Alex might be reluctant to release him on loan so the chances of bringing him to Turf Moor could be low. Another problem could be the finance side, would someone of his undoubted talent be affordable even on loan to a club like Burnley; a club that has taken great strides to reduce both the salary levels at the club and the squad numbers?
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Oh for heavens sake had enough of these kids now! Get some bloody experience in Howe and FFS someone give him the money to make sure he does!
turfmanphil
Oh for heavens sake had enough of these kids now! Get some bloody experience in Howe and FFS someone give him the money to make sure he does!
turfmanphil
No more kids pleeeeeeeeeeease Eddie.
Grimsby Claret
No more kids pleeeeeeeeeeease Eddie.
Grimsby Claret
Experience now please Eddie
Totally_Claret
Experience now please Eddie
Totally_Claret
Absolute minimum, one experienced quality midfielder and one ditto defender, young prospects are good but they need an example to learn from on the field. EH and the Board must know this. Anything else means what happens this season is pure guesswork (repeats of Derby and Middlesborough) and I woulld put my money on winning the lottery rather than betting on a top 6 place for the Clarets and I suspect the Board would too.
cornwallclaret
Absolute minimum, one experienced quality midfielder and one ditto defender, young prospects are good but they need an example to learn from on the field. EH and the Board must know this. Anything else means what happens this season is pure guesswork (repeats of Derby and Middlesborough) and I woulld put my money on winning the lottery rather than betting on a top 6 place for the Clarets and I suspect the Board would too.
cornwallclaret
Dear Eddie, Pogba is without doubt a great prospect but so is Joe McKee. Look at our problems recently and any man with half a footballing brain will see that we need experience. So as others say on here.........ffs sort it out....find a leader not another great prospect for the future....I remember Guerrero!
VinRogue
Dear Eddie, Pogba is without doubt a great prospect but so is Joe McKee. Look at our problems recently and any man with half a footballing brain will see that we need experience. So as others say on here.........ffs sort it out....find a leader not another great prospect for the future....I remember Guerrero!
VinRogue
At least he is heading in the right direction back thru the line up - one more leap of intuition and he will arrive at the Back 4! I am starting to get misty eyed about Frank Sinclair and John McGreal........
Essex Claret
At least he is heading in the right direction back thru the line up - one more leap of intuition and he will arrive at the Back 4! I am starting to get misty eyed about Frank Sinclair and John McGreal........
Essex Claret
have read alot of good positive reports about this lad and one of my m8's is manc supporter he goes to reserve matches aswell as main ones he was saying very strong excellent dribbling skills and has an good eye for goal only thing is another with little experience could this lad be better dare i say it than cork was for us i hope we get him but i'm also have same views as probably every other burnley supporter that we need experience in the side and n hopefully eddie will pull a rabbit out of his hat and find us a good experienced commanding defender cause we need one like yesterday
Gazza70
have read alot of good positive reports about this lad and one of my m8's is manc supporter he goes to reserve matches aswell as main ones he was saying very strong excellent dribbling skills and has an good eye for goal only thing is another with little experience could this lad be better dare i say it than cork was for us i hope we get him but i'm also have same views as probably every other burnley supporter that we need experience in the side and n hopefully eddie will pull a rabbit out of his hat and find us a good experienced commanding defender cause we need one like yesterday
Gazza70
18????? He might be good, but I've got sperm with more experience than the 11 that are heading out onto the field on Saturday!
marjory blenkinsop
18????? He might be good, but I've got sperm with more experience than the 11 that are heading out onto the field on Saturday!
marjory blenkinsop
Gimsby sooo right .... we will be putting them packed lunches up at this rate ............. hope in hell springs to mind one on this !
hollinsclaret
Gimsby sooo right .... we will be putting them packed lunches up at this rate ............. hope in hell springs to mind one on this !
hollinsclaret
ffs dont tell me he's 18 years old is he? well is he really ? i 'll get me coat
hollinsclaret
ffs dont tell me he's 18 years old is he? well is he really ? i 'll get me coat
hollinsclaret
STILL TRYING TO REMAIN CALM AND CONSTRUCTIVE GANG ...... SIMMERING BUT UNDER CONTROL DEEP BREATH AHHHHHH
hollinsclaret
STILL TRYING TO REMAIN CALM AND CONSTRUCTIVE GANG ...... SIMMERING BUT UNDER CONTROL DEEP BREATH AHHHHHH
hollinsclaret
Pogba plus another midfielder with experience fair dos..Pogba has a Cork replacement on his own? Someone having a Laugh!! Surely the Board must have realised by now what potential jeopardy they have put this club under with such a ruthless clear out in the summer and little replacement on the experience or quality front? What a lottery of a season this could become,spot on comments from Cornwall there
turfmanphil
Pogba plus another midfielder with experience fair dos..Pogba has a Cork replacement on his own? Someone having a Laugh!! Surely the Board must have realised by now what potential jeopardy they have put this club under with such a ruthless clear out in the summer and little replacement on the experience or quality front? What a lottery of a season this could become,spot on comments from Cornwall there
turfmanphil
Club site says all loan deals now "on ice". EH is "happy with current squad". Must have nothing to do with us having a limited budget to contribute towards their wages and BFC's inevitable relegation battle this season not looking an attractive proposition for a loanee/their club? Wish someone at the club was straight at what is going on behind the scenes at the club.
Eyresy's Left Peg
Club site says all loan deals now "on ice". EH is "happy with current squad". Must have nothing to do with us having a limited budget to contribute towards their wages and BFC's inevitable relegation battle this season not looking an attractive proposition for a loanee/their club? Wish someone at the club was straight at what is going on behind the scenes at the club.
Eyresy's Left Peg
ELP you say"Wish someone at the club was straight at what is going on." But thats exactly what Eddie's interview today does. He is very honest in saying that we were unable to get the more experienced players like Shotton becuase their existing clubs want them in their 25 and that there just arent (m)any other experienced players available. I just hope he's trying to manage expectations till 1st October when the 93 days loan rule would mean we could take a loanee and then buy him in January window without him returning to existing club
boltonclaret
ELP you say"Wish someone at the club was straight at what is going on." But thats exactly what Eddie's interview today does. He is very honest in saying that we were unable to get the more experienced players like Shotton becuase their existing clubs want them in their 25 and that there just arent (m)any other experienced players available. I just hope he's trying to manage expectations till 1st October when the 93 days loan rule would mean we could take a loanee and then buy him in January window without him returning to existing club
boltonclaret
We should never have been put in this ridiculous situation anyway! Period!
turfmanphil
We should never have been put in this ridiculous situation anyway! Period!
turfmanphil
TMP-is that what you're permanently on? :-)
boltonclaret
TMP-is that what you're permanently on? :-)
boltonclaret
I like the honesty from Howe, I have just read the official site and it appears he is saying what the majority on here are saying, which is, we need experience not youth or loans that are going to bench warm at best.
Maybe its time to go to Plan B and put Bikey alongside McCann and Bartley with Austin, JayRod and Junior as our front 6 at Posh.
VinRogue
I like the honesty from Howe, I have just read the official site and it appears he is saying what the majority on here are saying, which is, we need experience not youth or loans that are going to bench warm at best.
Maybe its time to go to Plan B and put Bikey alongside McCann and Bartley with Austin, JayRod and Junior as our front 6 at Posh.
VinRogue
shotton playing for stoke in moscow tonight so
hollinsclaret
shotton playing for stoke in moscow tonight so
hollinsclaret
sorry ..... should have read Shotton playing in Moscow tonight so you can bet house on the fact he won't be coming here now, what dissapoints me if the fact the we seem completely clueless on replacements, it's not as if this is new to us we have been looking for players for months and months why can we not get this team sorted
hollinsclaret
sorry ..... should have read Shotton playing in Moscow tonight so you can bet house on the fact he won't be coming here now, what dissapoints me if the fact the we seem completely clueless on replacements, it's not as if this is new to us we have been looking for players for months and months why can we not get this team sorted
hollinsclaret
I think you have a fair point Hollins, some may remember I asked the question about Mears and Eagles and getting them to sign an extension months ago. If its obvious to a supporter then paid management in the club must have either been blinkered or had blind faith, whichever it was we are definitely missing Fox, Eagles, Cork and possibly on a good day Wade. Please don't mention Captain and Leadership I may just flip!
VinRogue
I think you have a fair point Hollins, some may remember I asked the question about Mears and Eagles and getting them to sign an extension months ago. If its obvious to a supporter then paid management in the club must have either been blinkered or had blind faith, whichever it was we are definitely missing Fox, Eagles, Cork and possibly on a good day Wade. Please don't mention Captain and Leadership I may just flip!
VinRogue
I miss Wade Elliot s skill experience presence and footballing brain.
Grimsby Claret
I miss Wade Elliot s skill experience presence and footballing brain.
Grimsby Claret
We need a leader of men out there when heads drop.
Grimsby Claret
We need a leader of men out there when heads drop.
Grimsby Claret
Let's get real shall we Shotton ain't coming I doubt anybody else will, who wants to come to Burnley with no ambition sold all their best players, hovering near the relegation zone, you could all see this coming if you asked yourselves, all out and youngsters in no experience what so ever at this level, I have no idea what it's all about but it ain't going to work, yep I watched the interview with Howe on Clarets player nobody out there, I can understand that to a point but we are short at the back with no cover and experience why we don't play Bikey you know who I mean, bring back Carlisle from Preston he his not always the best but is proven at this level at least and that could rub off on the youngsters, I am toying between Howe cannot command older players or with the board trying to trying to get the wage structure down I suspect a bit of both and we are now in the sorry state we are in after gracing the Premiership this should not be where we are at...sad but true!!
8clarets8
Let's get real shall we Shotton ain't coming I doubt anybody else will, who wants to come to Burnley with no ambition sold all their best players, hovering near the relegation zone, you could all see this coming if you asked yourselves, all out and youngsters in no experience what so ever at this level, I have no idea what it's all about but it ain't going to work, yep I watched the interview with Howe on Clarets player nobody out there, I can understand that to a point but we are short at the back with no cover and experience why we don't play Bikey you know who I mean, bring back Carlisle from Preston he his not always the best but is proven at this level at least and that could rub off on the youngsters, I am toying between Howe cannot command older players or with the board trying to trying to get the wage structure down I suspect a bit of both and we are now in the sorry state we are in after gracing the Premiership this should not be where we are at...sad but true!!
8clarets8
Well said 8c8. Without wanting to sound smug, this was all predictable from the time we failed to show ambition and try and stay in the top flight but even I didn't expect such a fast decline in our fortunes and chances. I may as well keep saying 'Period' bc since the club are clearly bleeding all fans dry with a steady stream of bull***** statements whilst we look more and more likely to struggle at least this season. I am glad many are now seeing the reality of our predicament
turfmanphil
Well said 8c8. Without wanting to sound smug, this was all predictable from the time we failed to show ambition and try and stay in the top flight but even I didn't expect such a fast decline in our fortunes and chances. I may as well keep saying 'Period' bc since the club are clearly bleeding all fans dry with a steady stream of bull***** statements whilst we look more and more likely to struggle at least this season. I am glad many are now seeing the reality of our predicament
turfmanphil
It is abundantly clear that BFC have no aspirations of a return to the Prem. They will not pay the going rate to sign quality experienced players and will not fund an attractive salary structure. As has been said this lack of ambition does not make BFC an attractive proposition for potential loanees so that avenue closes. EH may not be happy with this situation and I would be surprised if he were, in fact I would not be surprised if he pursued his career with a more ambitious club sooner rather than later. As to future success for BFC I can only see us possibly winning League 1 and doing the seesaw between the Champioship and Legue 1. Given that the fans are happy with that situation and keep the gates up, togethr with the occasional transfer of a successful player the club should remain solvent. which seems to be the prime objective of the Board and may be viewed by many, look at Plymouth Argyll, as no bad thing.
cornwallclaret
It is abundantly clear that BFC have no aspirations of a return to the Prem. They will not pay the going rate to sign quality experienced players and will not fund an attractive salary structure. As has been said this lack of ambition does not make BFC an attractive proposition for potential loanees so that avenue closes. EH may not be happy with this situation and I would be surprised if he were, in fact I would not be surprised if he pursued his career with a more ambitious club sooner rather than later. As to future success for BFC I can only see us possibly winning League 1 and doing the seesaw between the Champioship and Legue 1. Given that the fans are happy with that situation and keep the gates up, togethr with the occasional transfer of a successful player the club should remain solvent. which seems to be the prime objective of the Board and may be viewed by many, look at Plymouth Argyll, as no bad thing.
cornwallclaret
But no doubt Saints, Pompey, Hull, Leeds and in fact any other club who have gone into admininstration (with the possible exception of Chester) will all think we are nuts since they are now arguably all doing better than we are and showing ambition. At some point some more bullish directors will come into this club and rescue us from this rut! They have to!!
turfmanphil
But no doubt Saints, Pompey, Hull, Leeds and in fact any other club who have gone into admininstration (with the possible exception of Chester) will all think we are nuts since they are now arguably all doing better than we are and showing ambition. At some point some more bullish directors will come into this club and rescue us from this rut! They have to!!
turfmanphil
Rushden and Diamonds. Wrexham. Swindon.
Couch Potato
Rushden and Diamonds. Wrexham. Swindon.
Couch Potato
You should not be advocating risking administration. Innocent people lose money and jobs in such situations
boltonclaret
You should not be advocating risking administration. Innocent people lose money and jobs in such situations
boltonclaret
Agree with TMP above. Our Scouting 'network' doesnt just exist in August or January. A month into a season, we should not be scratching around for experience. We should have had contingencies already in place and actioned. We have basically sold the experience and I cannot see our Board of 'Directors' had a strategy in place to replace. I dont blame EH; I do those above him with the purse strings. Lets see if we finish higher than Blackpool, who with Phillips and Ferguson, knew they would lose some of their best players and had immediate plans to replace with experience.
Eyresy's Left Peg
Agree with TMP above. Our Scouting 'network' doesnt just exist in August or January. A month into a season, we should not be scratching around for experience. We should have had contingencies already in place and actioned. We have basically sold the experience and I cannot see our Board of 'Directors' had a strategy in place to replace. I dont blame EH; I do those above him with the purse strings. Lets see if we finish higher than Blackpool, who with Phillips and Ferguson, knew they would lose some of their best players and had immediate plans to replace with experience.
Eyresy's Left Peg
I am not advocating adminstration,I am saying stop fearing it! It might never happen, and spending some money to make us competitive and go into some debt is unlikely to do so. What is certain,if we carry on like this, we will be hovering between Champs & Lg 1 not Prem&Champs which we should be by now! FFS spend some money and stop making us a laughing stock
turfmanphil
I am not advocating adminstration,I am saying stop fearing it! It might never happen, and spending some money to make us competitive and go into some debt is unlikely to do so. What is certain,if we carry on like this, we will be hovering between Champs & Lg 1 not Prem&Champs which we should be by now! FFS spend some money and stop making us a laughing stock
turfmanphil
Rushden and Diamonds. Wrexham. Swindon. ?-Oh yes those great clubs with a Premier & Championship history (Not)
turfmanphil
Rushden and Diamonds. Wrexham. Swindon. ?-Oh yes those great clubs with a Premier & Championship history (Not)
turfmanphil
Do investors buy history?
Couch Potato
Do investors buy history?
Couch Potato
Perhaps I should make it clear that I am not in favour of the present parsimoneous approach, nor am I in favour of abandoning all fiscal responsibility. There is surely a compromise between the two which gives a spirit of ambition and adventure without being foolhardy.
cornwallclaret
Perhaps I should make it clear that I am not in favour of the present parsimoneous approach, nor am I in favour of abandoning all fiscal responsibility. There is surely a compromise between the two which gives a spirit of ambition and adventure without being foolhardy.
cornwallclaret
This thread is about the loan signing of Progba and at a stretch other loan signings it is in danger of becoming a thread just like those below....starts off with good intention and then ends up about Leeds Southampton Hull Pompey etc etc.
If we sign the lad I hope he plays and is better than Cork.
VinRogue
This thread is about the loan signing of Progba and at a stretch other loan signings it is in danger of becoming a thread just like those below....starts off with good intention and then ends up about Leeds Southampton Hull Pompey etc etc.
If we sign the lad I hope he plays and is better than Cork.
VinRogue
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dynamoclaret
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dynamoclaret
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turfmanphil
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turfmanphil
Looks like Pogba is another signing dead in the water! Don't think I can ever remember such a frustrating summer and early season! Trouble is the question always comes back to why VR, so the threads inevitably get back to the main reason for our plight ie lack of finance or no desire to spend owt to keep us competitive
turfmanphil
Looks like Pogba is another signing dead in the water! Don't think I can ever remember such a frustrating summer and early season! Trouble is the question always comes back to why VR, so the threads inevitably get back to the main reason for our plight ie lack of finance or no desire to spend owt to keep us competitive
turfmanphil
I hope the Pogba loan deal is not dead deal that lad has sheer skills i made what most people was considered a flippant statement by saying could be next cork but if you took the time to check this lad out i did on utube and there are quite a few clips of him on there by the way you'd like what you saw from what i saw he could offer so much more to our midfield yes he is only 18 and has little experience but is by far better than what we allready have what has happened to the "In Eddie we trust" most probably fummed before actually saw what he is like in my opinion i'd have been more optimisitic about our season if we got this lad
Gazza70
I hope the Pogba loan deal is not dead deal that lad has sheer skills i made what most people was considered a flippant statement by saying could be next cork but if you took the time to check this lad out i did on utube and there are quite a few clips of him on there by the way you'd like what you saw from what i saw he could offer so much more to our midfield yes he is only 18 and has little experience but is by far better than what we allready have what has happened to the "In Eddie we trust" most probably fummed before actually saw what he is like in my opinion i'd have been more optimisitic about our season if we got this lad
Gazza70
Agree would be better to have him than not, but the priority has to be to get some experience in too and that may have to wait until the Jan window opens now! By then our season may already be over. Very,very disappointing club effort and so frustrating we have been let down in so many ways
turfmanphil
Agree would be better to have him than not, but the priority has to be to get some experience in too and that may have to wait until the Jan window opens now! By then our season may already be over. Very,very disappointing club effort and so frustrating we have been let down in so many ways
turfmanphil
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