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Fox Becomes a Saint!-Mega Debate Continues!

Danny Fox has been sold to Southampton for it is believed about £1.8 million

Does anybody seriously believe now we have any chance of promotion? This pathetic club of ours never ceases to amaze me and surely, surely now all Clarets will begin to smell the coffee.

I am not going to write anything more on this until I have cooled down and if anybody suggests this is a 'good bit of business' I will explode!

Do you believe we can hold onto Jay Rod?

Editor's Update: Well since I posted my emotional article above the two camps have been going tooth and nail discussing the pros and cons of the Fox transfer and the general situation at the club beneath. We have now got well over 100 posts on this thread alone and we have achieved a Vital Burnley record. You can certainly not accuse Clarets fans of lacking passion! Keep the debate going chaps and chappesses, I have stickied the Article before it drops off the end!


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The Journalist

Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday August 11 2011

Time: 3:42PM

Your Comments

Just poted a thread on the forum at the same time as you posted this Phil. I want answers and Iwant them now. Over to you Mr Kilby.
Grimsby Claret
This club seriously must be in dire financial straits, it is certainly clear they can't compete on salaries in this division and that is only going to get worse. Utterly peed off! We are becoming a total laughing stock. Cue the' oh well we still have Easton, things aint too bad!' brigade. Yeah right!
turfmanphil
What's going on here? Everything seems to point towards the fact that we're in trouble financially ?? I'm hoping J Rod is going nowhere, but I've got no idea what's going on anymore. If he does go, thats us clearly up to our necks in it and going nowhere fast.
WelshClaret
If Jay Rod goes! It does not bear thinking about.
Grimsby Claret
They make me sick the lot of them, GC. 'We don't have to sell' they tell us but they do. Cork and Fox to a club in administration a few seasons ago. Totally & utterly disgraceful!
turfmanphil
Gutted... The only positive thing I can think of regarding this, is that Howe will now have a new defence. Guess it is a matter of time before Jay will be sold - january?
nor-claret
Don't understand this one think Kilby and the board are taking the ***** now and if its against Eddie's wishes i think EH could be the next to walk.
Fedupclaret
Disappointing yet again, the only positive is that Jay hasn't gone, and i hope its not a yet..., Fox has had his good and bad moments but I've felt he's really improved his game recently, particularly his passing. So it is another loss, surely now the board must spend some of the 4.5 mill (at least - 2.75 for Mears Eagles, and the 1.8 for Fox) on strengthening our weakened squad, the Poster received in the Burton program shows how much our squad has shrunk since last year!! I know we need quality not Quantity but we're spreading thin now, the signings that EH has made so far have been shown to be good ones, so I'm optimistically thinking he'll bring in more quality players. But again I don't think we really needed to sell Fox, but it seems the board can't resist a half decent offer for anyone at the moment!
dredlox.76
Sorry to have to ask this here TMF or anyone else, but how can i change my username, can't find any info on it anywhere on the site, Cheers
dredlox.76
SACK THE BOARD ................ Proof the the lunatics have taken over the asylum !!! NO EXCUSES THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE....... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
hollinsclaret
LOOKS LIKE THEY WOULD SELL THERE OWN MOTHER AT THE MOMENT
hollinsclaret
Sorry meant Tripper and Treacy ;)
cubanclaret
I backed the sale of Eagles and Mears and I think that has been justified by the renumeration and replacements (Trippier and Mears). However, I am bitterly disappointed by this news today. Fox was a good quality left-back and to sell him to another team in this division is very disappointing.
cubanclaret
Cuban - guess that Kilby will once again come out an claim "that he wanted to leave and wasn't happy at BFC and that it would be madness to keep a want-away player in the squad" .. Same BS as allways
nor-claret
Its a sad day for all who support Burnley FC.
Grimsby Claret
Well said, Grimsby
nor-claret
The club does not have any ambition and never will have with the current regime in charge, they big up how good they have been with the finances, how it was crucial we didn't go into debt and then say we dont have to sell. They are a bunch of liars and as soon as Clarets fans stop taking this tosh the better! Asking folk to buy Early Bird season tickets in March only to see this happen in the summer is both a joke and a disgrace.
turfmanphil
I do think it might be Eddie Howe who has sanctioned this and not necessarily the Board btw. Mee and Easton can both play at left back which could allow EH to spend the proceeds on a different area of the squad he'd rather strengthen. I'd be surprised if the Board has gone over his head.
cubanclaret
By the way anybody who thinks Trippier and Treacy are better than Mears and Eagles at their best is having a laugh!
turfmanphil
tmp; not sure wether Tripp and Trecy are better than Mears/Eagles, but lets wait untill jan./next summer to judge that. Lets give them a chance
nor-claret
Do we have the luxury of time? We are supposed to be fighting for promotion are we not, despite the Board continually knackering our best efforts and scuppering our chances? Sure we can give them a chance but the point I am making at the moment is that they are no way better than Eagles and Mears in their prime, absolutely not. Easton is certainly not better than Fox either so even if you put Mee in there, we then need another centre back. FFS smell the coffee chaps, there is something seriously wrong at the club!
turfmanphil
My first ever post on here was the appointment of Laws and back then i said sack the board but was told how wonderfull this board as been for BFC. Well what a load of bolloxs even though i agreed with the sale of Mears and Eagles but this one how on *****in earth is this good for BFC. I'm just glad these robbing ********s are not looking after my pension fund.
Fedupclaret
Funny... I thought tmp wasn't going to write anything else till he'd cooled down. But he's posted 3 times since!!! All I can say is that I remember everyone getting upset when Mears and Eagles went, then deciding that Trippier and Treacy were at least as good... only to change their mind when we sell Danny!!! Que? Only yesterday I was looking at the pix of Brain Easton congratulating Jay Rod, and thinking 'how long is Brian going to stick around'. I've not seen that much between Danny and Brian. So, I stand ready to be made to look soft in the head, but I reckon we'll see some signings very soon now, that Eddie will spend well, and I for one would not have been happy to see Eddie do nothing about our defence. I thought he'd done enough 3 weeks ago. Then we let in 5 goals, most of them softer than you all probably think I am in the head. Lie back and do nothing? Give them all double training on Thursdays? I was thinking more that it was time to sell all-skill-not-always-concentrate Amougou! Cuban's comment that this was Eddie's decision rather than the Board's minimally deserves quiet consideration, and may actually be very astute. In the meantime, this latest outbreak of manic panic helps me understand mobs!!! I am now going totake cover.
Couch Potato
Recount.. tmp has posted 5 times!
Couch Potato
Looks like Ryan Shotton is on his way in for £1m - by all accounts a decent defender - Chris Eagles was at his best at home to Barnsley and away at Watford last season, in the closing weeks of the season he was poor week-in week-out. We won more games without him than with him. So all in all, I think Treacy 'might' turn out to be more useful. Time will tell (which is what Brian Laws said when I asked him if Cort was better than what we had ;)
cubanclaret
Great post Cuban till you completely deflated even me with your last sentence!!! :-) But before we stick even more knives into Brian it's interesting to think how folk have reacted to us parting company with Cork and Fox, both of whom he brought to the club, when when had very little time to do any planning, and apparently used some sort of 'accountancy system' to find players, which has been vilified relentlessly on messageboards and in fanzines ever since. But enough of looking back. As in all things in life, it's what happens next that counts.
Couch Potato
Just looked at the Club statement regarding the sale of Fox Jesus Christ i give up. Couch i know you are the voice of reason but can you give me some of the erotic weed you're smokin.
Fedupclaret
I thought there was a clause in the players contracts which meant much lower wages if we were relegated ? Why dont they tell us how much we sold him for ? Disappointed with the club statement we can not compete with the likes of Southampton and half the championship clubs.
Grimsby Claret
I had to comment on this as I may just be a possitive person, but does anyone remember afew seasons ago when the media predicted that we would finish 18th and we went to Wembley and onto the premier league....... From where we were to our current state I have to say im still going to be singing on the terraces come the weekend. I had the pleasure to watch the under 19's the other week and we have some very good young players (just a final thought for you).
miniVR
Selling Fox doesn't bother me in the slightest, Bringing players in who can do a job for us before the transfer window closes does,
Totally_Claret
I wanted to be wrong! And for the board to prove me to be wrong weeks ago when I started to notice this backwards mentality. Lets face facts this board would sell any of our players if a bid came in for more than what we paid. How is Eddie meant to build a squad when players are getting sold and money is not released. I'm fed up of people saying "lets wait till the end of the window" Face facts and realise we are not going to be signing premiership challenging players. I'm sick and tired of the relentless lies they feed us and the lack of transparency regarding player sales figures. If it was such a good offer why not brag about it? Most of all I feel sorry for all the loyal fans who paid for early bird tickets only to see this happen, I'm really glad I didn't! Just a joke, and I thought Coyle was bad
YorkshireClaret
As for Jad Rod I can only hope he stays but I would be surprised If he does. I posted on the other thread regarding Southampton getting a £12million windfall and offering something we could not refuse... I think Jay will be going and their left back coming here in a player and cash deal. Are we taking bets on who goes after Jay? My money is on Howe after he has had enough!!
YorkshireClaret
Upon further reflection, if the club were desperate for the money, they would have sold Pato to Portsmouth; which is further reason why I think Howe might have been satisfied for this one to go through.
cubanclaret
although im dissapointed with todays news on fox its still not all doom and gloom. i sadly dont manage to get to the turf often due to work, however when i do get chance ive noticed that fox often gets caught out of position, makes poor decisions and in my opinion is an average left back at this level. my main concern would be holding onto quality players at this level, for example jay rod. if your reading mr kilby and the board there are a lot of fans with boiling blood, you need to come out and face us with the truth, none of the "good bit of business" bull s**t like is stated on the official website, just the truth. lets look forward to these new signings as promised. saw tevez and fabregas having a drink in burnley last night (you never know). come on the clarets!!!
pie&peas
How could Eddie have been satisfied for the sale to go through when he stated for an article that no further players were leaving?
YorkshireClaret
Never rated Fox and think this is a very good deal the timing however is a blow, time to splash the cash now and get some replacements in before it's too late UTC
8clarets8
LOL, one of the worst 3 years for goals conceded a defence that is a laughing stock and we sell one of them for 1.8 million BONUS! Ttippier Mee, Amogoooo and Easton, why not ffs. EH has to say the right things just like Arsene has to say the right things about Cesc, its football and you either love it or hate it, I love it. LOL
VinRogue
Vin, Do you Love our board milking the club dry and not releasing funds for new players? Two of the players you mentioned have no real commitment or loyalty to our club. Is it just blind optimism or a lack of ambition for our club that is the driving force behind your posts?
YorkshireClaret
The mushrooms have just had another load of ***** thrown over them. Does that master of spin (*****) AC have any input to the Board?
cornwallclaret
Seem to remember a lot of posters saying Fox was rubbish just after Laws bought him, £1.8 million is a great deal, I would hope the board said your not having Jay Rod full-stop but give us a good price for Fox and you can have him, like I said earlier the timing is lousy, £4.8 million in and 800k out, give Howe the £4 million that's left to bring some quality in, no idea if that will happen but that's how it should happen.
8clarets8
Are you talking about the club statement, Cornwall? It was quite different from the usual. Who knows? Some good news would help. The mood is certainly going to be edgy at Selhurst. I'll be there. Come on.
Couch Potato
Fox has improved as a player saw his first game scored a great free kick on that occasion, but did have some poor games for a while I thought Easton was better when he took his place for a few games, Saw Danny's last game too. In between those games Fox is in my opinion a better player now than when we signed him. Southampton must be impressed to pay around 2 million ish for him.
Grimsby Claret
I remember people thinking we would have loads of money after the Fletcher sale and the money never materialised. On a further note if Eddie chose him over Easton I would go with his opinion of the better player, being the coach he would have a more detailed opinion of both players...
YorkshireClaret
Think they maybe going off previous stats like Laws did GC.
8clarets8
It seems Howe is far from happy at Fox being sold, according to a source that has inside information.
Grimsby Claret
I may be going agains opinion here , but as a football coach myself. I was not a danny fox fan. Left the left hand side wide open with his miscalculated runs many times leaving the central defenders stretched. I also think he lakes a little pace to recover when caught out of position. I wish him all the best at Southhampton. but do hope that all these teams that went into administration, took the easy road out & now have millions to spend do not do as well as they think they are going to do.
Albmaleaf claret
I am disappointed we get Shotton in, plus a player or two, this - as with the TM and CE deals - may not prove to be as bad as it appears now. Southampton are a minted club now, so not sure what the fact that they were at one time in administration has to do with it? At least financially we will be on an even keel - but at what cost to the team...that is the main question. Cue a win at Palace? Easton to score? :-)
whentheballmoves
I'm in agreement with Couch and Cuban on this one. Having said that I'm not a big fan of loan signings. Still beggars can't be choosers - but how is it that we seem to be the beggars? (I have read everything that has been said on our finances too.)
AndyHo
Shotton isn't our player as far as I am aware? we already have a Stoke cast-off...Cort £1.8 million anyone please!!! let's see what happens in the next week or so...Shotton no thanks.
8clarets8
Some of you would have been expecting me to post and most will know what I am going to say! so in order to not disappoint here we go 1 - This is one of the largest reactions I have seen on this site, along with the fact my twitter went into meltdown on twitter clarets today, why mention this? well that's fairly simply, the overwhelming negativity that this deal drives is without doubt the turning point for the incumbent board, after a fairly ferociousness reaction, Daz Bently scrambled out a statement from the board which to me added insult to injury, the fact that the club reports that it was an offer that could not refuse, sends a shiver down my and many other clarets spines, this was no "premiership club offer" it wasn't even a "he wants to leave the club" and it wasn't a "he's in his last year of his contract" , moreover it was a poxy £300k more than we paid for him only a year ago. 2- The ultimate line from the board is really this, any reasonable offer for ANY of our players will not be refused !! All from a club that has had the benefit of £90M over five years. I do believe Eddie Howe will have approved this deal, but itself this causes me concern, I have NEVER seen a manager clear out a squad as quick as this, in itself that's a really positive thing however given the fact that this tight fisted hopeless board have only managed to obtain the services of one full signing ( not loans) then does this not tell you that we are falling way short of players agents and clubs valuations for their players? moreover this leaves us open to other clubs taking our targets, something openly admitted in the statement released by the club today when they talk about being frustrated by other clubs! the question is how many more are they to come in and can they be anywhere near the levels of the players that have left.? The simple fact is this THE CURRENT BOARD ARE PLANNING FOR CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL NEXT SEASON AND THE WAGES BILL IS BEING CUT ACCORDINGLY! THIS WHOLE ISSUE TURNS ON THIS ONE FACT...... SHOULD THE BOARD BE PLANNING IN THIS NEGATIVE WAY OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE SHOULD THEY BE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PUSH FOR PROMOTION RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE MONEY RUNS OUT. You know my thoughts, this is a negative penny pinching board, and we need a change, it cant come soon enough for me the strategy is all wrong wrong wrong, today demonstrated that the lunatics finally did take over the asylum time for mass changes at the top as well as one the field of play
hollinsclaret
I was in the J Mac stand and had a perfect view of that free kick Grimsby, a cracking goal. Also seen plenty of what Albmaleaf is referring to and I couldn't believe how time after time he just gave Dyer so much space at the Liberty Stadium last season, without closing him down. Having said that, my overall feeling is that Fox did improve as the season progressed. I think the worst part of this move for me, was the fact that J Rod was associated with it when we first heard about it, and the next thought was . . so when will he go? But if Rodriguez stays, then that's by far the bigger potential crisis over as far as I'm concerned. I can live with loosing Fox, provided it isn't the litmus paper that tells us we're on a sell, sell, sell mission.
WelshClaret
Im incredibly disappointed about the loss of Danny Fox, in addition to the loss of Eagles and Mears and the failure to complete the signing of Jack Cork. When you add it all up, we have now lost 9 players from last season, and brought in one permanent signing and two season long loans. This is a complete failure in my opinion. We are light on numbers now, and we absolutely need some quality new signings. If we were to lose Jay Rodriguez, that would be the final straw for me. We still have some good players, and if we can hold onto them and add proven quality players to the squad, I think we will have a chance at promotion, but the board are an absolute disgrace. With a board with an attitude where by if they see an oppurtunity to take some money they take it without any consideration of the football team how can you expect any form of success. Its just very sad.
AdamBurnleyFan
I' m hearing that Eddie Howe DID NOT sanction this deal and is far from happy about the whole issue now that really really worries me !!!
hollinsclaret
Where on twitter hc? I will post some up tomorrow will you believe that? think you guys need to live in the real world....£1.8 million for Fox is great business, that said spend Howe spend
8clarets8
Albmaleaf claret , are you a football coach by any chance ??
Bernie Lee
If the rumours are true that Eddie Howe did not sanction the release of Fox and in fact refused to go to a press conference then we are in big trouble. I think we are anyway since we are clearly shot to pieces financially which is a total disgrace after a year in the Premiership. There is a seed change of opinion going on and even one infamous editor of another site has written an opinionated article describing the folly of this sale and how it has angered so many fans. Normally he would not dare criticise the Board. Anybody who has seen Fox play recently will have seen the improvements he has made and had Howe thought Easton was a better option he would have played him. The thing about Saints and administration is that they came through it stronger WTBM whereas we fear going anywhere near it or even going into any sort of debt and prefer instead to head downwards by decimating the squad and ensuring we cant compete at this level financially or on the pitch
turfmanphil
Adam's post is the most sensible one on this thread to date. it is not just the Fox thing it is the whole caboodle. In my opinion, the Board have had it wrong since we got promoted and the Fox thing is just another nail in the coffin
turfmanphil
It maybe a nail in the coffin but this is Danny Fox we are talking about, often a liability on our left, seldom plays well with who ever we put in front of him. Has improved, but lets face it the reaction is about the lack of ambition more than the player leaving. Many posted on here that when Fox was out last season Easton was a better all round left back. I understand all sides of the argument but refuse to believeFox leaving is the end of the world.
VinRogue
If he's that bad why did Howe pick him? If he's that bad why didn't we get a decent left back in the summer and then sell him, rather than be forced to now with two weeks of the window left? If he was that bad why is Howe reported to be livid about him being sold ? I don't think VC if the whole team were sold you would think it was the end of the world! Sorry mate but I dont
turfmanphil
Shotton a young highly rated player - no comparison with Cort. I'm hoping to get him AND another couple of players - hopefully for less money than we have just received for TM, CE and DF. Don't forget the CI money, too, plus the wages gone from the bill (RVDS, ST, GA, KMcD, etc...) How much did we get for CI in the end? *My last post was supposed to have said "'m disappointed but if..." by the way!*
whentheballmoves
Anybody seen the Danny Fox interview on Saints Player (free to subscribers of Clarets Player) - he says when Southampton were interested he "couldn't get down there quick enough" and had heard how hunky dory it all was from Jack Cork. Lads like knocking about together and Jay Rod was certainly seen about with Cork a lot in their time with Burnley. I think the Board would initially rebuff a £5m bid for Jay Rod but not sure the player wouldn't jump ship given the opportunity. Its acceptable enough to sell players to clubs in the Premier League but I think the key issue here is conceding ground to a Championship rival and there lies the problem with the Fox decision.
cubanclaret
On Shotton- Burnley were facing competition from a number of Championship clubs, including Ipswich and Derby County So we are stuffed then. All bigger clubs offering the going rate to compete in the Championship. Fox on his transfer to Sainst '“The chairman’s got ambitions which match mine, and I want to be part of something special here.” I wish ours bloody did!!
turfmanphil
LT article and read between the lines on Howe's comments,he is clearly miffed!-The transfer has been dubbed, by the board, as one they “could not refuse”, but is only worth only £300,000 more than they offered Celtic on signing him in January 2010, with two years still to serve on that contract. “I’m very disappointed to see Danny go,” said Howe, who lost Chris Eagles and Tyrone Mears to Bolton Wanderers less than three weeks ago. “He has been a very consistent performer for us. “To lose another player at this stage of the season is a big blow to us, but the board received an offer they felt they could not turn down, so we have to accept that, although it’s far from ideal.”
turfmanphil
Grr... I posted a long piece earlier this morning and it's not come up. Probably my fault, as I trust tmp implicitly to allow free expression of views on here, even while we have different views on the most appropriate strategy for Bfc. (I am glad he has edited his own contribution above this thread from what he put there originally.) What I said earlier this morning was mostly pointing out how basic facts of population, geography and lifestyle mean we should use Wrexham as a more appropriate comparison than Southampton if we are thinking about why Burnley needs to avoid financial failure. In which context, I said I'd be far more anxious than I am now if Hollins were our Chairman. I'll just add that I don't think the evidence supports Adam's suggestion that if the Board see an opportunity to take some money they take it without any consideration of the football team. So that means I don't agree with tmp saying Adam's the most sensible one in this thread either. Evidence? We turned down an offer for Pato. We have turned down an offer for Jay Rod. The Board statement says we have turned down offers. If 'sensible' is tweaking evidence to fit our opinions, that seems problematic to me. Obviously we are all hoping for some good news soon. Obviously it would be a dagger to the heart if Jay Rod went anywhere but someone like Arsenal for anything less than something like £10million. But the footnote of Danny Fox as a Claret is surely that the biggest stir he ever caused in our emotions was when he left. And his leaving was both part and parcel of a clearly explained Board strategy for managing our payroll, and part and parcel of fans' wider emotions.
Couch Potato
A win at palace will lift the gloom, but the sun will not be shining till we sign some decent players,( not from League 1 thank you very much.)
Grimsby Claret
The Fox interview just says what any player says when joining a new club, putting the most positive spin on it, and being warm to the new fans. The Howe interview? Not sure we need to read between the lines to find out that he's miffed when he says openly that he's disappointed? I expect that all sorts will be read into it anyway! But Eddie is nothing if not resilient, and the sort of bloke who, when he says 'its not ideal' is already thinking forwards about how to manage the situation and move ahead. Let's face it, if he'd said anything else, the fans would have been all over him, and I thnk he's wise enough to leave dealing with that heat to the Board.
Couch Potato
There is only one person putting a positive spin on things CP!! Well one in the main anyway!! ;-) Actually I am the most positive of the lot since I refuse to accept the negative 'cant do' attitude from the Board that has been going on for years. Maybe,just maybe enough of us are no longer going to accept this tosh anymore. By the way, what have I supposed to have edited,not changed anything,I am aware of?
turfmanphil
TMP - does the 'can't do' attitude from the Board extend to when they successfully 'bet the ranch' to finance Coyle's squad-build necessary to reach the 'promised land'....or was that all just pot luck...?
cubanclaret
Can't say I'm too sorry to see Fox go. I remember his predecessor Jordan who couldn't master the off side trap; Fox in that respect was a revelation and helped to consolidate a leaky defence. However he wasn't the fastest and got caught out of position too often so perhaps its time to give one of the youngsters a go. What really concerns me is that the board considers a boost of £300K to the coffers is a sufficient reason to break up the Boss's first team structure; where has all the money gone from sales and premiership parachute payments?
SouthCoastClaret
And then let Coyle spend even more afterwards, Cuban, for example on Eckersley and Guerrero! TMP - please forgive me if I am wrong. I have a very powerful memory of one particular word in your cover piece that's not there any more. But I would fully accept that I was reading it in a heightened emotional state and may therefore have a false memory. I completely agree with your point that putting labels on views as 'positive' or 'negative' is simplistic. But if we're going to forensically examine Board statements and accuse them of spin, we at least need to acknowledge that statements by former players are highly spun too, rather than just use them uncritically to support our viewpoints. Otherwise, someone's going to start quoting Laffs as evidence that the club's been 'hell' for a decade. Anyway, I seem to remember being just about the only one at first to take the stand that the Mears and Eagles exits were not casue for panic, so I am pleased to provide a similar service to this debate now. And let's face it, if we all agree with each other, it would get boring on here very quickly. See you tomorrow! Should we sell tickets? The Big Debate. Couch vs Turfman. Flora Sandes pub. 1215. Come and join in. Have a smile and a laugh, and then go and get behind the lads!
Couch Potato
The Coyle situation excatly proves my point CC, the only time we spend a decent wadge of money, we get promoted with a great manager. So what do we do with this great manager? Hack him off in the Prem and then replace him with the hopeless cheapo, Brian Laws and spend bugger all in trying to keep us up!
turfmanphil
What we did with Coyle in the Prem was give him far too free a hand in transfers. One of the PL's worst defences ever, yet we brought in Guerrero. Did anyone see him successfully complete a tackle? Then we said 'no' when he wnated more young flair players rather than the defernders we all wanted. And he just 'cashed in while his stock was high' as was quite probably his plan all along. Do you honestly think he'd have stayed if the Board had let him bring in Weiss, Holden and Wilshere? Or was he in effect
Couch Potato
Ooops! Prematue submission. Carrying on where I left off... Or was he in effect already doing Bolton's business, lining up players their dull squad needed?
Couch Potato
By the way, is premature submission a side-effect of the 'erotic weed' that fedup suggested I was smokin (about 50 posts north in this tread)!!! ;-)
Couch Potato
Why are we Pineing about players Like Fox who Ok are quite good, but do not want to be at burnley, no loyalty, Sincere Sven, will bring all these players in they will under perform and he will be off. the club will go into administration again, go bust start up again, Just lets wait and se if by january we will have a tightly knitted suad of players all playing for each other as a team. we will not be in debt and in a stronger possition
Albmaleaf claret
We will sell anyone if the price is high enough someone comes in tomorrow with a stupid bid for any of our players they will be gone. My worry is we are low on numbers & any injuries on sat we'll be screwed. Where on earth is this new striker?
ruane
Albmaleaf - you have hit the nail on the head when you talk about 'a tightly knitted squad of players all playing for each other as a team'. For me psychology has been the main problem, ever since Coyle's maverick approach started to wear thin, a couple of months before he left. It's a complex problem that affects Board, management, players, fans, commentators. The Board and management have made a plan to deal with it. It's hard-headed, and it's not going 100% perfectly (What does?), but it is going purposefully. At the moment a lot of fans, for reasons that are understandable, are working in different directions. Like you, I believe, I choose not to. I thought Pato's statement on the official site was almost perfectly worded.
Couch Potato
I think the board have been vastly out of order in this situation with Danny Fox. It is beyond all comprehension how the board of a professional football club can disrupt a managers plans by selling a first team player without the managers concent. It must be very frustrating for Eddie Howe, the board have effectively made him powerless to resist this transfer. How exactly can the board justify the sale of an important first team member, for an average fee, at this point when the season has already began. How can Eddie possibly plan for the new season and build a team when he doesnt know what players he is still going to have at the club by the end of the transfer window. He is going to have to readjust his transfer targets now, which will cost us more time, and we will be even less organised in the games to come. The Eagles and Mears sale was as bad as I thought it could get, but it seems as if the board would be willing to sell every single member of the team with a relatively suitable offer for each individual. The board is an absolute disgrace and are clearly blindsighted if they cannot tell that they are ripping this football team apart day by day. I cannot believe this, its shameful.
AdamBurnleyFan
Coyle a great manager TMP. Not in my books, Stan almost took us up we were within a whisker play offs with Stan. Coyle got the run of the green, that season. Unlike Stan he never gave two hoots for Burnley it was all about him. And he would have left us worse off than Leeds moneywise If Barry let him spend beyond the clubs means he would have ruined us and he still would have jumped ship. We need a balance between over spending and under spending on players as it stands Barry needs to put money on the table for Eddie and show us he is willing to splash some cash.
Grimsby Claret
Coyle.despite the fact I despise the sod so much now, was the best manager this club had had in ages. Yes,he made some mistakes on the transfer front,but what he managed to do was give the squad belief they could get promotion and through passion, tactical wizardry and man-management motivation skills made sure they did! He also had more money that previous managers like Stan&Cotts could only dream of. The Board in their stupidity though then refused to give Coyle the financial tools he needed to try and keep the club in the Prem so he fecked off to a more ambitious club. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that had he stayed we would now still be a Prem club and that all this pleading poverty bollox we are now suffering would have by now been consigned to the dustbin of history
turfmanphil
There is a long and thoughful piece at this weblink on how the new social media, like Twitter, spreads and exacerbates potentially misleading rumours, causing heightened levels of anxiety, disquiet and - in the case discussed by the article - even disorder. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14490693.
Couch Potato
"By the way anybody who thinks Trippier and Treacy are better than Mears and Eagles at their best is having a laugh!" Mears was crap in defence, so shot our capacity to win anything cos we are almost always a goal or two down while he was AWOL and Eagles 'at his best' was once a month (at best!) - sad to say we should have got the £4M from Everton last year. These were two it was good to get shot of. Trippier is already settling in to be much better than Mears and (I know it's a big 'and') if Treacy can develop some consistency, then he'll be double the worth of Eagles. It's a no-brainer! So far, onwards and upwards - let's see how good Easton really can become, because he will be quite a star!
Mike Mada
I wonder why Coyle didn't go for Trippier and Treacy then? I rest my case! Could this thread get to 100 I wonder? ;-)
turfmanphil
15 goals and 10 assists for a winger. Im sorry but you can go on and on about how inconsistent Eagles was if you want, but he was more than productive enough. He was the kind of player who could turn a game in your favour and even though I rate Treacy very highly, you cannot just assume that he is better than Eagles.
AdamBurnleyFan
Guess if Man U sold Rooney, we would got all the Man U lot saying how inconsistent he was!! It's natural for fans to find excuses for losing a player, but the truth is we will miss players of that calibre and if they were that bad other managers would not come in and poach them be they Prem or Champs rivals with clearly more ambition!
turfmanphil
Adam I agree with you, if we stick to statistics eagles got more goals and assists than treacy last season. Fox was first choice not Easton. Facts speak for themselves, Assumptions do not. Fox will not be the last to leave this summer in my opinion as a football coach (fantasy league). I will take back all the negative comments about the board if they prove me to be wrong, however I think once the window has passed and sufficient signings haven't materialised it might spark some of the members of this site into withdrawing their heads from the clouds and putting pressure on the board for change.
YorkshireClaret
Well said YC!!
turfmanphil
What is the plan for change, YC, that you want us to pressure for? Getting the Board to 'go' is a meaningless slogan. They can only 'go' if someone else wants to buy the club. Making a change like that now would bring everything to a dead halt. All the work to rebuild the organisation's psychology, still fragile post-Coyle would end. A resurgence of teamwork would be turned into chaos. Besides, are there any buyers? Who? Or is the plan to change just the Chairman? The Board have already told us they want the current chairman to stay for now, and he's said he'll probably go in a year, because that's what he wants to do at this time of his life. My (and most other people's) guess is that the next Chairman will be Brendan Flood, but with the big Modus/AIB case pending for June 2012, my guess is that he wants to get that out of the way first. But neither he nor any of the directors can talk about that, even if they'd like to take us into their confidence. John B would be next in line. What does anyone on here know about him? In what other way are you proposing the Board change, YC? I'd give serious thought to joining the campaign if I could see a widely shared coherent view about what the goal is. But at the moment I can't see a practical proposition being put forward in a shared and coherent way. I understand the anger and share the frustration, but personally I worry about it having negative rather than positive outcomes because it doesn't seem to be directed to a goal that is either clear or can be shown to be achievable.
Couch Potato
Personally I would be happy with a protest or two to show that a lot of fans are no longer going to take the drivel and dross the Board spiel out ad infinitum for their failure to not buy players and conversely sell those they assured us we would hold onto to because quote-they don't have to sell anymore! True until someone comes in we are stuck with them but its about time they realised the complacency of the fans they relied on for so long is about to bite them in the bum!
turfmanphil
'I wonder why Coyle didn't go for Trippier and Treacy then? I rest my case! Could this thread get to 100 I wonder? ;-)' Cos he's a poser and wanted to get his own back on BFC!
Mike Mada
Fans not gonna take the drivel? What are you gonna do then, boycott? What a load of *********! Once a claret, always a claret and whatever, yes whatever happens, we'll still be there!
Mike Mada
Well he succeeded and we lost out then!!
turfmanphil
Ooops, sorry, didn't realise boll ocks wasn't allowed!
Mike Mada
Yes we will be there, but I hope this incompetent Board won't be!
turfmanphil
Try bollox Mike!! lol
turfmanphil
Wait and see. Eagles certainly can't cut it in the Prem. Mears we will have to see, but his last effort when we were there were a partnership in one of the worst defences in the Premiership and mainly because he was AWOL most of the time!
Mike Mada
"Yes we will be there, but I hope this incompetent Board won't be!" Hmm, let's take the constructive road then eh?
Mike Mada
It's the Board that assure us they have taken a constructive road, only trouble is, its the Road to Nowhere!
turfmanphil
The Board have a plan. The critics don't seem to be able to articulate anything other than anger. I choose to support the plan rather than foment chaos.
Couch Potato
Oh gawd not another plan! They have had these plans in the past under the fancy name of three-year and five year. Trouble is after a year of failing to achieve it, they bring in another one to cover their failed tracks and so it goes on! Failure to buy back the Turf, failure to upgrade the Turf, failure to invest in players, failure to try and stay in the Prem, failure to keep hold of the best successful manager this club has ever had, failure to appoint a manager who could have kept us up and above all failure to show any ambition whatsoever! We need a plan alright, a plan to get another Board in, one that has financial balls and a can do attitude!
turfmanphil
I'm up in Anglesey visiting my mother, and at the moment I'm almost brain-dead after reading all these posts. There is certainly a plan, and it's Eddie's plan and we're going to have to wait to see if it works. I'm concerned to hear that he didn't sanction this sale , but the nitty-gritty will soon be upon us, starting with the Palace game tomorrow. Yes folks, we're talking about results and individual performances of players, especially those that Eddie has brought in, and how thay affect the whole team performance. I still think we're going to do well this season, but we need to give Eddie some time. Remember the start in the promotion year?
WelshClaret
I appreciate what you are trying to say WC but with the best will in the world if you don't give Eddie the builder the tools to get a club promoted and then take away some of his bricks, he is never going to build a strong foundation. Coyle was a one-off, I suspect and was in the right place at the right time when the club finally had some money and allowed him to spend it.Pity they didn't learn from that
turfmanphil
Brendan Flood sold Fox. Its worth remembering he is the Board member responsible for transfers in and out. Seems odd to me that some on here who appear the most disenfranchised with the club have also expressed a preference for Flood to be next chairman. An irony if ever there were one.
cubanclaret
Don't go to matches if you want to be heard.
pmh200111
I cant wait to dad gets his internet working again he will love some of the posts on here. If I was fox I would want to go to a club like southampton as the training facilities and all round day to day club life is surely better for a player, but on the other hand if i was jay rod I wouldnt want to leave the club that i supported as a kid. Fox had no loyalty to the club and therefore cant blame him for leaving for a bigger club.
miniVR
Just to get it off my chest. Why are all the comments from Phil negative? Start supporting the lads we do have, not the ones we have lost and get back to enjoying the game of football......... do you remember Burnley 1 Man City 6......... one of the best games iv ever been to......... 6 0 and u *$"%ed it up haha and some fans had left the ground before then. Im still a happy claret.
miniVR
The reason why CC some prefer Flood to Kilby is that he is less conservative and in the absence of a total Board change which is unlikely to happen sadly, he is perhaps going to be more of a risk-taker and positive go getter than Bazza. I would welcome anything that is new in approach because quite simply we cant keep going on like this. In answer to miniVR, you only had to see the dross our decimated squad played today at Palace to know why some of us want change. You can call that negativity if you want but I call it a plea for positivity and a can do attitude. Sorry but I cant be happy watching games like Palace
turfmanphil
It was good to see tmp at the Palace. Not a happy day as measured by results, and I was gloomy watching after their penalty, which took the stuffing out of what had been a promising spell either side of the break, and as I'm now on a personal 8-game winless streak when attending games. Beforehand, tmp and I cheerfully rehearsed our viewpoints, helped by Brompton Claret at the Thornton Heath Wetherspoons, and a Palace friend of mine who has just accepted a minor advisory post with the government on gangs. He could see but not smell the Croydon smoke from his home on the hill above the Palace. We walked together to Selhurst along the peaceful, bustling and colourful streets in a convivial mood. During the game, tmp and I didn't disagree on much at all, but having just read his comments here and those of our gaffer on the official site, I am going to get behind the gaffer and let tmp down gently that his application for a seat on my fantasy advisory panel for Bfc has been rejected! Too much dreaming for unlikely investors, no clear plan on what Board change he wants or how to achieve it, no clear strategies to flesh out his entirely understandable frustration beyond spend/spend/spend, and the wrong noises to help with the motivational rebuild! Runs a good website though, should definitely stick to his day job, and I look forward to the next pre-match drinks, if I don't ban myself from going on ever again, given my current winless streak! Bit things do change... don't they? Get your internet sorted VR!!!
Couch Potato
Couch the board have a plan then do they? please can you confirm if the plan is entitled " Don't Panic Mr Mainwaring!!! " or in the alternative is there a plan "b" possibly named....... " Who do you think your kidding Mr Kilby"
hollinsclaret
Thanks Hollins. We all needed a laugh this morning, and that had me chuckling for several moments. But, yes, I think the Board do have a plan. It is not a plan I agree with entirely, though a bit more than you to judge from your posts :-)... and it may turn out to be a bad plan. But it has been clearly stated: payroll at 60% of revenue; increase and diversify sources of income; invest more in youth; reduce the average age; get rid of those not wanting to be with us; reduce disparities in pay so they don't unsettle the players they want to keep; address other post-Coyle and post-relegation psychological problems in the squad, which have gone unaddressed for too long; do that organisationally rather than with sticking plasters; continue with BK as Chair (and what they can't say, so I may be wrong about it, as I am about so many other things) until BF's Modus/AIB case is settled and he can spend more time in the limelight as the (probable) next chair and is clearer about what further investments he may or may not be able to make; maintain an open mind about new investors, but be sure they have the long term interests of club and town in mimd... and - I agree with you! - don't panic!!!
Couch Potato
My internet will not be on before next friday! Have to borrow phones etc to read up and if it does not crash an odd post. I tend to look at other clubs to come up with a reasoned reaction to our clubs plight. Arsenal start the season and two of their best players are missing, is it a club in turmoil with a truly rubbish board? Spurs desperate to keep Modric. Leicester with more signings than we have players and they get beat! Leeds oh deear me Leeds, not a great start for them, oh and our promotion year we got stuffed at Sheff Wed first game of the season then took a beating at home from Ipswich and ended up in the PL with a back 5 of Beast, Duff, Caldwell, Carlisle and Jordan and quite honestly it was a shocking defence! Sorry I have moved house and lost internet....BT are also shocking!
VinRogue
Think this may now be a record number of posts under one front-page article on VB! Clarets fans are certainly passionate if nothing else! The point I am making is that there is absolutely no way this team will get promoted if we continue to play like we did in the opening two games of the season! If Howe is now also saying this is a team in transition and that we are rebuilding, that must surely set off the alarm bells! At the start of the season,he was telling us all we just needed was 2-3 additional signings and all would be well!
turfmanphil
Wonder if we could get Hansen in on the debate...you don't win nothing with kids??
8clarets8
Wonder who will be joining us this week, hope its not another League one player, we need players who are going to be in the starting line up.
Grimsby Claret
Apparently Ipswich Town bid for Jay Rod in the summer and were told the asking price was £6 million. Not for sale at any price, for our board it simply is not the truth. We need to be keeping players like Jay as well as getting more in. 4 is not enough in my opinion. We are playing catch up and fast running out of time.
Stuart75
Too true Stuart and welcome to VB by the way!
turfmanphil
Earlier today I watched both the Watford and Palace highlghts on CPlayer. The Palace ones look like they were edited by a Palace fan, but they do show it was Mee who gave away the pen, not Easton, as I and several others had feared. (I apologise to Brian.)Go back and look at the Watford ones, and in particular look for Fox in their two goals. On this small evidence, I think we're better off with Brian. But we do need reinforcements, especially with Bartley - justifiably I would say from the highlights - suspended.
Couch Potato
Lets close the door on the Danny Fox posts. Fox was not the best left back. he did not want to stay @ Burnley. end of it lets move on
Albmaleaf claret
Why did he not want to stay though? We were in the Prem and expected to return a season ago? No ambition obviously at the club. We can't move on until we sort out the main problem at the club or at least show them we aint happy
turfmanphil
Anyone like to write a letter to Barry Kilby/Brendan Flood and express concerns on behalf of (some) Burnley vital members in selling Foxy and for reassurance over Jay Rod staying at Burnley. The chairmans statement on Clarets player explained a lot to some posters but not to others.
Grimsby Claret
Here you go right on the back of the board claiming Jay isn't for sale at any price you have Paul Jewell telling the press he can be bought for £6M some might consider such articulation for the boards as lies and Jay indeed has a price attached to him, I sure Eddie will be delighted ! pick the bones out of this one ............."“We bid a lot of money for Rodriquez in the summer and we were told that he wasn’t for sale unless it was £6 million. It shows the ambition they have got and they have got good players anyway. Direct quote from Paul Jewell in his press conference this morning Monday 15th August 2011
hollinsclaret
Of course, Jewell was doing two things. One, getting Tractor Boys off his back for having sold Wickham. Two, trying to prise Jay Rod loose by unsettling Bfc, its players and its fans. Has it worked in eitehr way?
Couch Potato
Couch I have a plan! I can assure you it's far more positive in its strategic process then the negative load of rival being proposed by the board. If the ferocity of this post doesn't wake the board up and make the realise how close to the wind they are sailing then nothing will! well done to all the clarets that got involved shows we have passion for this great club, best post of the lot belongs to 8clarets8 and the quote from Alan Hanson " you don't win anything with kids" be warned Mr Chairman we need experience in our squad to complement the speed of youth ! Any way I am gonna draw a line under this now lets move on I feel there might be one or two more of these in the coming weeks
hollinsclaret
"The XXXXX were in chaos, but so too was the internet, which was both the fastest source of reliable news and, unchecked, a means of spreading panic." But is this quote from The Guardian talking about ths streets of English cities, or football fans at Arsenal after a rumour was started on Vitla Burnley that not only Fabregas and Nasri, but also van Persie and Walcott were going? (A plan? "Show me don't tell me" is the only way to greet any plan. So show me, my dear Hollins, if indeed you are the same Hollins who posted late last night or early this morning that now was not the time to unsettle the Board!!!)
Couch Potato
getting anoyed about eddie howe all ready girls
afcb4life
Surprised that nobody has come up with a cunning plan. Or would that fit the laughing stock image too well.
cornwallclaret
Cunning like a fox maybe, cornwall?
Couch Potato
Songs from the 60s and 70s with 'fox' in the title... 'Foxy Lady' by Jimmy Hendrix. 'Fox on the Run'...by The Sweet?
Couch Potato
Oh Danny BOY? Ings can only get better?
turfmanphil
Howes about the new babes of the Championship.
cornwallclaret
Eddies Babes ?
Grimsby Claret
Couch - I didn't unsettle the board, I think you will find they can take the credit for that all by themselves ! My plan is really simple, what you do is take £90M over five years, along with about another £14M in transfer monies incoming ,freeze out the debts repayments to current directors, hold the cash reserve ( cash is king at the moment not debt repayment) pay some loans rather than paying them all, think of alternative solutions to repaying cash back on the premiership pledge. Then take your cash and build a squad that is based around the best players you have, if you cant keep them then bring in players of equal or better quality, Moreover continue to bring in quality players that send out a message that your intent on a quick return to the Premiership. Do all this before the constraints of turnover/spend caps come into place and or your parachute monies dry up, IF the plan fails you recoup your monies through the sell off of your asserts (players) these pay off your debts and align your turnover with new cap regulations, See Couch the key to this is simple, I would be throwing the kitchen sink at loading up a team thtn can win promotion, we finished 8 th last year we were 2 or 3 players away from being a really good squad in pre season £6-£9 would have put us back in the race npt a lot given the £100 M of incoming funds, promotion and planning for life in the premiership was a must, not selling off half the team and banking the cash for a rainy day, and planning your futre around the championship, basically the board are unambitious in their approach, they had a unique window of opportunity to bounce back, but the constraints they have placed upon themselves make it virtually impossible to do this now or indeed any time soon, something that I am sure will be acknowledged by the fans the minute we start to struggle, the board would have been forgiven to have had a go and failed rather than the current alternative which appears have not have had a go.... it remains to be seen if they fail, howerever you asked me initially about my plan, ans I would have rather died trying than not to have tried at all !!!
hollinsclaret
Noted with respect, Hollins, noted. The sadness and the frustration that two Board members certainly shared with me at the Clarets Trust Beer Festival in the spring (which was well worth attending) was that having done something much like you are suggesting last year, it fell short. It's plain as day that they, Eddie, the players and all fans would have hoped the rebuilding since then would have been quicker. But change was certainly needed in a psychologically troubled squad (for reasons that went way beyond money) which leaked soft goals and was inexplicably inconsistent. The choice between chucking the kitchen sink at one last heave now or rebuilding more slowly is not an easy one. You and many other fans would have rather died trying than not to have tried to the financial max this year. Many other fans want to try really hard, but not at risk of the club dying, and don't share the view that this season is some kind of apocalyptic last chance. Indeed the new financial rules can be seen as just as likely to help us as lock us out forever. Reconciling these views in different sections of the fans may be difficult at times if we struggle. But disagreement amongst Clarets is hardly new, so I am sure we'll find a way, and I certainly respect those Clarets with whom I disagree. Anyway, I mentioned 70s Glam Rockers The Sweet's Fox on the Run earlier. If I may deviate briefly before coming back to the player on whom this thread is focussed. There's a weird article by Will Gomperz on the BBCwww about youth culture, with respect and rap, as usual, the focus of much attention. Bizarrely it claims that the term 'jog on' originated in a 2004 movie, and then jogs on to quote these lines from The Sweet's 1970s hit Teenage Rampage: "All over the land The kids are finally startin' to get the upper hand They're out in the streets, they turn on the heat And soon they could be completely in command Imagine the sensation of teenage occupation At thirteen they'll be learning But at fourteen they'll be burnin' But there's something in the air Of which we all will be aware But they don't care, no, no, no, no... so Come join the revolution, get yourself a constitution Come join the revolution now". Crikey! Bring back (*)rap? Nah, not for me. Danny Boy can stay a Saint. The old Danny is dead. Long live the Ings. Up the teenage Clarets. I'll get my Claret coat... Sorry.
Couch Potato
Agree totaly Couch, we l ook at the suad now as it is, we have had a good clear out, a laxative to enable us to bring Players in who want to play for burnley. and have speed & developing. instead of cart horses who have been good players 5 years ago & no distespect are to slow to cope with the Championship. Lets stop this thered stop all the negative talk about the board & start supporting new life @ the club
Albmaleaf claret
And so say all of us. Well, some of us then.
WelshClaret
Fox played about 15 minutes for Southampton last night, will have to earn his place, will be interesting to see if he becomes their first choice left back.
Grimsby Claret
 

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