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Champagne Cork for Saints, No Bottle for Claret?

Well we all probably know by now we have lost Jack Cork with Southampton snapping him up

Cork yesterday signed a four-year deal with the Saints for a fee thought to be in the region of £750,000. There are also reports that the Saints have lured him to St Marys by offering him £22.000/week which of course is way above our salary cap.

The 22 year old England Under 21 international midfielder said at the end of last season that he would consider coming to Turf Moor on a permanent basis, having spent the last 18 months at the club on loan from Chelsea. This makes the news even more disappointing and it is all so frustrating when you see a player of such obvious quality going elsewhere, especially to a club that has only just recently been promoted back to the Championship following administration.

The failure of the club to seal a deal for our former loan midfielder has angered many fans with others trying to find a rational explanation for it all whilst seeking a balanced view. So are we ambitious enough or should we be more daring financially?

The best way of giving a flavour of this debate is to re-publish the comments provided by our posters (warts and all) on another article and in our forum. So take a look and continue the debate below

The Article Posts

Official: Chelsea midfielder Jack Cork joins Southampton The midfield man has been with the Blues for 13 years but the club have decided to let him go and the England Under-21 star admits he is 'excited' to get started with his new team
hollinsclaret

How many of you sitting comfit-able now !!
hollinsclaret

I ASK OUT LOUD AGAIN ...... WHERE IS THE MONEY ...... WHY COULD WE NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN !!!!!
hollinsclaret

Re Cork--If you were a young babe magnet and had been in london for last 13 years why would you want to be in burnley next to £10k terraced houses when southampton is sufficiently close to the Amy Childs set. Just being realistic.
boltonclaret

Mmm.... Bolton take your point! ... although being 250 away from Amy Child's is no bad thing for some, but your point about the social demographic is a fair one ............ however he's on record saying he loved it here ! this is more about the ambition of the board and the persuasiveness of our manager.... let's face it all of us know have formidable a McCann Cork partnership would have been, Jack had proved he was worth the cash ..... we didn't we make it happen ? moreover we now have trailests at gawthorpe cos we arent just quite sure if they are good enough and we are constantly being linked with lower league targets or free transfers ..... what is it all about? were is our investment money just what is this deluded board thinking about ??? for me as we stand we are no better than we were when we finished the season its all to relaxed and 'well were working hard at it' in my opinion you should always be aware of people who tell you 'they are working hard at something' This is serious stuff I have been banging the drum all summer, why do we think we have done well 'keeping the squad together' .... balls to that the squad wasnt good enough then and it wont be good enough now we have an average squad with one good player in and one good one good ........ so how the hell are we going to compete ??????? I can tell from the texts I got last night we are being laughed at !
hollinsclaret

Woe is Burnley! We are so used to the excuses now, we quote them ad infinitum whilst we remain in Championship mediocrity.HC is completely right. Tweaking the squad and we haven't got Cork now either? What are we doing, tweaking so we might reach the play-offs? We need more than a bloody tweak to get automatic promotion and that should be our ambition
turfmanphil

and another thing ...... just listened to the gaffer on clarets player and read the peace about Cork ..... we didn't even reach the £750k asking price for Jack ... ok personal terms may have been an issue, but the fact that we couldn't raise £750K to prove to JC that we wanted him .... well what did the board expect Cork felt like?? who knows if he would have rejected us if we would have shown some ambition and commitment for the lad, we might have had a point of negotiation after all he did say he was settled here ..... but we didn't even do that!!! ......... beyond pathetic ... I ASK AGAIN WHERE'S THE MONEY GONE !!!
hollinsclaret

hollins--So why does official website say we met the 7 figure asking price for cork
boltonclaret

The LT says Burnley were unable to agree a fee so who do you believe? A club trying to spare its blushes or a paper trying to make money? The LT also state Cork's choice was understood to have been between Southampton and Nottingham Forest, the only two clubs to have had offers accepted.Pathetic Burnley, truly disgraceful. Gone down stronger my arse!!
turfmanphil

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The Forum Posts

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Cork signs for Southampton


The players so far are:

The Angered:

Hollinsclaret
Yours Truly(TMP)
8Clarets8
Grimsby Claret
Ruane
Snorbens Claret


The Rational:

Couch Potato
Claret Dale
Vin Rogue
Cornwall Claret

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Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday July 8 2011

Time: 4:35PM

Your Comments

Just thought I would remove the debate from the Grezza thread and put it all in one place! Keep the comments coming
turfmanphil
Absolutely shocking if we could not offer 750 grand, he is a bargain at this price. I would have thought we would be looking to pay far more for the quality players we need and if the Board are unable, for whatever reason, to afford it they are out of the market. OK the salary cap is a problem and probably needs looking at if we are to attract and keep quality players. At the moment I am worried for the immediate future and guessing mid table at best unless EH can work some miracle with our youngsters.
cornwallclaret
I am confused, was it 750 grand or over a million (7 figure sum as said on BFC website) if we were offering over a million my comments above become, in part, invalid.
cornwallclaret
Our co editor 8c8 posted this in the forum from Darren B at the club: Darren Bentleys twitter this morning. “Burnley offered Chelsea a seven-figure sum, which was not accepted as they wanted add ons" “Personal terms would also have been significantly above our highest paid player and smashed rigid pay structure. “That is no criticism of player, who has himself a great deal and we wish him nothing but the best.” Also agree 100% with 8c8's comments: Seems to me we weren't prepared to go that little extra to get him more like, no doubt we will pluck somebody from non-league to fill the void!!!
turfmanphil
Ok so its now a seven figure offer..... but lets face it was it ever going to be anything less for Jack Cork ? fact remains he was a key part in EH thinking, I'm sure we will move to a plan z ..... question is who do we get to fill his boot's that's going to cost less than a million quid? ..... NO ONE
hollinsclaret
Exactly, we have ballsed it up again!
turfmanphil
Common guys did you really think we were going to sign him and i don't think they will be to many new players this season. I put the blame at good old Barry and the board door for the Laws appointment and the average players we cannot shift, and we will be paying for this for another two years yet. All we as fans get is we cant bet the ranch and we've got to look to the future, well the future is for me do a Southampton go in to admin and two years later come back stronger. Poor little Burnley
Fedupclaret
Ah but FedUp the argument from the 'Rationalites' is that of course if Burnley go into admin we will be the only club to go under! Yeah but what if a)we dont go into admin b) if we do someone rescues us like all the rest? By then we might have enjoyed god knows how many years in the Prem and felt like a proper football club competing with the best. Let's at least try and be more positive
turfmanphil
Good lord,it just gets worse and worse-"Other clubs are beginning to move and hopefully we will have news in the coming days or weeks," Howe told the club's official website. WEEKS???? "I think we need to add some players to the squad. EM YES,UNLESS WE WANT TO FINISH BELOW 8th WITH NO CORK? "We are happy with the squad as it is, but we want to improve it and I think we need to." You dont say? Whats he saying,if I fail to sign anybody because nobody wants to come on such poor salaries, I will be happy with squad?
turfmanphil
Risk going into administration and 'hope' someone rescues us - What if nobody does? It could go either way!
claretdale
I'd try it and see! We have tried Plan A since the 70s and failed miserably! We are supposed to support a club because they want to entertain! This is not entertainment, we are becoming the laughing stock and we are certainly not competitive! We may as well be in League 1! [Edited by turfmanphil]
turfmanphil
I only get the chance to go to Burnley at most 2 or 3 times a year, but I won't be going at all this coming season. I refuse to line the pockets of the board. And no, it isn't about fan loyalty - the fact is clubs are a business and treat fans like gullible turds these days.
pmh200111
I hear rumours we are going to get Gale and Philliskirk for next year's up front partnership, but Gale is struggling to agree terms and may go to Halifax Town instead.
pmh200111
Gutted to hear that we've lost Cork. We should have pulled out all the stops on this one, and by all accounts it wouldn't have broken the bank. But it's hard to comment accurately without knowing the full story. The newly promoted Swans for example, lost their excellent goalkeeper, De Vries, because Wolves offered him £24,000 a week against their £16,000, and also promised him that sum even if they are relegated, whereas the Swans deal would have substantially reduced the figure, if relegated. How far did we go to try and secure Cork's service , and by how much did Southampton outbid us on all the above fronts? Jack Cork wanted to play for us this season, and I just can't believe that we've let him go elsewhere.
WelshClaret
It seems this is all about money. Until we know the truth, which we probably never will, all this conjecture is just that. As a matter of interest just how far do the harsher critics think BFC should have gone, 2,3,4 mill and 20,25,30 grand a week , carry that on and what would we be paying for the other quality players we need. How much would Mears, Eagles, McCann and everyone else be paid. Then where would the money come from? BFC need to be much more ambitious certainly but not stupidly irresponsible. What really annoys me is why did we not sign him whilst he was with us?
cornwallclaret
Cornwall we never had a bid accepted so dosent really matter how many grand a week he wanted thats what really sticks in the throat. If we had tabled 2mil and could not afford 20 grand a week i can understand that. This player could have been the difference between having a chance of promotion or midtable.
Fedupclaret
I dont think Chelsea had a set amount for Cork. I believe because we are more financially well off and know how important the player is to us they thought they could push the transfer sum up and up and get near enough £2 million for Cork, and then if we pulled out they would settle for a little less from another club. Thats the way these clubs do business however small or big the money is and we didnt want to pay too much. But is £2 million really too much for a player who can make a clubs season ? I even think he was willing to take a small wage cut to join us because he had settled so well here, in the area and in the team. Thats why I am so disappointed, I think if we could have had an offer accepted we could have easily agreed a contract with him, even if if it was on the higher side of the wage bill. In my opinion it is Eddie's fault for not doing everything he could to make Cork a Burnley player. Like I have already said though, lets just see how well a McCann : Bartley partnership works and depending on if we get promoted or Southampton get relegated, maybe we might see Jack back at the club next season. Who knows with football ?
AdamBurnleyFan
Howe today-"We have to be careful about overspending on one player." One word-BOLLOX!! How about overspending on any player because that is what you will have to do to get the quality we need!!
turfmanphil
 

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