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Date:Saturday January 8 2011
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Talks held with McInnes?
St Johnstone boss, Derek McInnes is widely thought to be on Burnley's short-list to find a replacement for Brian Laws.
The Scottish Sun today reports that Burnley have already held talks with the 39 year old.
If that is true the Burnley board obviously didn't feel the need to go public this time announcing an official appraoch like they did for Norwich gaffer,Paul Lambert. Lambert appears to have rejected Burnley after making a further statement last night that he was staying at Carrow Road.
St Johnstone are understood to be desperate to keep McInnes at McDiarmid Park although Saints chairman, Geoff Brown is believed to be willing to let McInnes go should his ambition be to manage in England and follow in the footsteps of their former manager, Owen Coyle.
We profiled McInnes recently so if you want to know more about him please click this link:
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Could lightning strike twice, two former St Johnstone managers getting Burnley promoted? Well if we do opt for him, I just hope he is not a prat like Coyle turned out to be!
turfmanphil
His form looks good. The trouble is where he is coming from. It's not exactly ideal - they are going to look at us with some animosity and it will be justified. That aside the financial gain and higher profile for him would have to be the decider. Then back to the original point - is he the man we need?
AndyHo
St Johnstone are really gonna love us, but if its him and he can do as the other Scot did and get us promoted, he would be the right man, unfortunately my crystal ball is a bit foggy so can't really answer that.
sheclaret
From what Coyle has said about the man he seems to be a good prospect who has the ability of man management which was glaringly lacking in Laws' skill set. We only need to look at his treatment of Pato, Kev Mac, Jensen, Edgar and to some extent Eagles to see how Laws alienated some of his playing squad. Burnley have a fantastic squad of players for the championship with a good mix of youth and experience yet we are lounging in 10th spot. Bringing in a good man manager who will keep the players happy, buy a couple of centre halves who can defend and get the squad playing to their FULL potential and Burnley would soon rocket up the league imo. Could do a lot worse than MCInnes.
andy1882
Isn't any manager going to be leaving some players out and have them therefore not be happy? Let's say we do as andy1882 very sensibly suggests, and bring in a couple of new centre halves, is that going to make Bikey, Duff, Carlisle and Edgar (again) be victims of 'bad man management'? If anything, I'd argue that Laws worried too much about making players happy, and that he and the Board should have done more surgery on a relegated squad, to bring in new players with a mindset not affected by that experience. Looking at those Andy names... Pato's had a lot of injuries. This time last year a lot of fans were saying we needed a new keeper. Kev Mac needs to get himself under control and learn to listen more to his coaching team if he's going to fulfill his potential. Laws gave him more chances than C*yle and Kev let himself and everyone else down, on and off the pitch. Is Edgar good enough? Has Eagles said he's unhappy? Finally, I'd be cautious about taking advice from C*yle on man management. His 'matey' approach stored up problems, which he ran away from, and left for his successor.
Couch Potato
Roy Hodgeson might be on his arse at the moment and probably liking his wounds....... but what a fantastic opportunity for him to get back on his horse and find some instant success... well four months anyway success !! You would have to be mad not to put a quick call into the fella, he resides in the North West, he has a point to prove and we need a good guy at the helm with bags of experience... He had no chance at Liverpool as the guy guy will find out.
Burnley just ridiculed by the press for there ill though out strategy on Lambert, most saying that before going public they should have had buy in from Lambert and just leveraged with there position through the statement on the clubs official site.... loads of egg on Kilby and Floods faces, they simply have to start getting there PR machine going cos at the moment there is a real possibility that the position is becoming less attractive.......... we really need to be more savey or were gonna end up with someone like mckay, Innes or Howe .... SIMPLY WONT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE FANS WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE INTENT !!!! WE NEED A SERIOUS NAME IN not a micky mouse manager Come n guys lets go out for the big guns get you cash out BK not a time for shrinking violets
hollinsclaret
30% want Big Sam in the poll WOW almost one in three..... THE MESSAGE IS DEAFENING GO GET THE MAN WHAT THE HELL ARE ARSING AROUND FOR..... IF HE DOS'NT WANT IT THEN TELL US WE CAN ALL MOVE ON
.... CAN WE ADD hODGESON TO THE LIST PLEASE
hollinsclaret
HOPE NONE OF THE DIRECTORS ARE THERE TODAY COS QUITE HONESTLY THEY SHOULD BE SAT IN FRONT OF CANDIDATES
hollinsclaret
That means 70% don't want him and according to Sam he doesn't want the job as we are too small a club. I'll leave it up to the Board. Can you please stop shoutiing.
ozjean
Well, what now, NCFC out of Cup, unhappy atmosphere, who knows, only THE BOARD, we can just keep guessing and enjoying? it.
cornwallclaret
Coach I agree we need to have a clear out of some of the older players and that would include both Carlisle and Duff as well as Elliott, Tommo and also Leon Cort. could do with either playing Pato or briniging in a more mobile striker if we are to continue playing big Chris up top as he is a decent target man but struggles when it comes to chasing down lose balls. A lot of people say the midfield will be better once McCann is back but how long is that realistically going to be? We should buy a true central midfielder to partner Cork who I think everyone agrees we need to sign up asap.
andy1882
I'm absolutely baffled with BK's statement tonight, I know he's a really honourable bloke and believes in doing the business in the absolute correct fashion, I applaud him totally for that, but for god sake Chairman get Ali Cambell on the PR team, cos reading the statement you just released leads me to believe (and boy do I hope I'm wrong) that more questions now remain unanswered than answered, Are we to understand that 2 weeks into the process that Lambert was the "first" on the list, as you have stated, and it seems we didn't sound him out and went directly to Norwich to ask to speak with him making it public along the way?, what kind of sense is there in this, where is the urgency if hes the first? how many candidatures have we spoken to?, and how will the others now feel thinking Lambert was our First choice? why have we only spoke to one manager in employment? why is there no comment with regards the fans clear choice Sam Allardyce? Mr Chairman what's going on? I respect the privacy on the candidates but please we need clear lines of communication its frustrating us and the board aren't looking so great right at this moment
hollinsclaret
Malky Mackay is lookng strong (if he wants the job) but lets be fair we have an incumbent with a 75% success rate so far. So maybe why the rush? See what he can do with the squad - I can't see a new manager getting his head around the current squad and making transfer/purchase decisions in the time left. Then again is there something we don't know? The situation certainly poses more than a couple of questions as mentioned by quite a number of us. Are we looking at Claret cunning or a Burnley blunder?
AndyHo
good points AndyHo gray looking a nice safe pair of hands and the players really going for it we looked excellent at reading even though we got beat. Personnel y don't give a dam about the transfer window this squad when playing at its best can achieve promotion its unlocking the talent i the way that Coyle did that will win promotion not necessariely new players
hollinsclaret
WOW WOW WOW!!!!! Just listened to Eagles on Clarets player, talk about a press interview without a script, if we want some honesty from the players and want to gain an understanding to how they feel then go listen to that interview, players seem to love Gray and Pash Eagles wants him till end of season, he makes a great point about a new manager having to understand strengths and weaknesses about players in a short period of time, says grey understandsall of them and knows the targets for the transfer window ... more food for though for us all?, it they gave grey a chance and it went wrong they would be vilified but if it worked he would become a hero I guess what do we think ?
hollinsclaret
Eagles certainly makes a good case for keeping Gray at the helm. And if all the other players feel the same, as Chris said, then maybe the man we're looking for is already here? 9 goals in 3 games and with a bit more luck we could have had 2 or 3 at Reading. I'd like to see him send out the team against QPR at the very least, and see how we get on.
WelshClaret
I'm a bit on the fence over Grey, or rather I am being a typical woman and changing my mind at an alarming rate. While part of me thinks yeah we arn't doing to bad with Grey at the helm, I do think he is from the same mould as Brian Laws and in my opinion that is not good. I also thought we didn't play to our full potentail against PV yesterday so thank god it was only PV. Yesterday I would of liked to have seen Beast back in the nets and Thommo start up front with Jay.
sheclaret
Very interesting article in Saturday's Guardian Ashes supplement about how triumphant and acclaimed coach Andy Flower was a backroom team member when predecessor Moores got chucked. The board of English cricket considered some big names but decided that an insider with the right approach could achieve more with lots of small incremental changes, than a new guy could coming in and going for big change without an insider's background knowledge. So... time to come out of the closet... I'd give Gray to the end of the season, but seek to be very clear in my reasoning to the fans about why I was doing that, and make sure first that other players and coaches agreed with what Eagles has said publicly... all of which is contingent on Gray agreeing with me and AndyHo (I think) that what we need more than a big name gaffer is a harrassing/ballwinning central midfielder and some speed in central defence. I'm not a million miles off agreeing with AndyHo over who we should let go to help make that happen, and to change the mindset, and do think we need a bit of a clearout.
Couch Potato
I saw Gray's body language at the Turf against Vale and I have to say he didn't seem to be showing much passion, almost as though he knew his days were numbered. I was also disappointed by his team selection for the Vale game to be honest. He just seems to have plumped for the old 4-5-1 Laws idea. Nope sorry, we need someone in with new ideas who knows how to sort out our awful defence and also someone who can give Clarets fans hopes that our season is not over. Gray doesn't do it for me
turfmanphil
Tayside & Fife Courier quote McInneaa as denying talks held with Burnley-'When McInnes was asked last night if he had indeed already been interviewed to take over the reins at the English Championship side, he strenuously denied it.
He said, "There is no truth in that at all."
[Edited by turfmanphil]
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