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Who went down stronger, Pompey or Burnley?

25-year-old striker, David Nugent spent much of last season on loan at Turf Moor and scored six Premier League goals for the Clarets. Had we stayed in the Premier League there might have been every chance we could have secured a permanent deal for the player with Portsmouth in such a financial mess.

There was almost an inevitability though that he would leave after Burnley's relegation hinting that he would want to remain playing in the top flight.In the end the Premier League offers seemed few and far between and he returned to his parent club probably expecting to move on in view of Pompey's dire financial plight and relegation. Former Burnley gaffer, Steve Cotterill though arrived replacing Avram Grant at Fratton Park and convinced the former Bury and Preston forward to stay on and play in the Championship.

It has now been revealed in the Lancashire Telegraph that Nugent was close to agreeing a permanent deal to return to Turf Moor last summer but in the end our club could not afford his wage demand. This was despite a season in the top flight, 14.4 million pre-tax profit, 7 million from the sale of Fletcher and 48 million over four years from parachute payments.

Meanwhile,Portsmouth still in a financial pickle having suffered administration and relegation to the Championship somehow could still afford to keep Nugent on their payroll. Nugent is now scoring freely for Portsmouth and the club are just four points behind the Clarets.That might have been just one point too if our game against them at Fratton Park on Saturday had not been postponed and Pompey had won.

Brian Laws talking about the Nugent situation this week told the LT:

"He was tremendous for us last year and we were very much trying our hardest to get him again this year to no success'

"It wasn`t far away but not close enough.

"It was the financial side of things more than anything else. Dave was on a substantially high amount of money at Portsmouth and we certainly couldn`t match that."

So who did go down stronger? Yes,overall it must surely be the Clarets in financial terms but this is one example where you begin to wonder if the Burnley Board have once again been too ultra-cautious by refusing to go the extra mile to secure a player they plainly wanted to retain.

On the other hand, how can it be right that a club like Pompey in such a financial mess can still afford to pay such high wages compared to a club that has continually been crowing about sound financial management and going down stronger?

Oh dear, I feel I am going to have to put the following statement up again:

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Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday December 3 2010

Time: 1:05PM

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Ouch! Bizarre situation unless Nugent took a significant pay cut, something he clearly was not going to consider for the Clarets
turfmanphil
A very good point Turfmanphil. Still fancy Burnley to bounce back stringer though.
cropped
* or even stronger.
cropped
Maybe the Board have been STRINGERing us along!! ;-)
turfmanphil
Does it actually need explaining?? You do know how a contract works?? He was under contract. We tried to get rid of him,he wouldnt go, and utaka aswell. It probably would make more sense to pay him and let him play rather than pay him off (usually the cost of the remainder of their contract) and have no one....... Sorry its so sarcastic but come on.
ruffcider
Oh and ild obviously fancy us, we do have a very good starting 11. But nothing really to back it up.
ruffcider
It's a matter of record how Pompey kept Nugent, the club wanted shot, he spoke to Stevie C and as a result didn't want to go. The club Administrator couldn't force him. Nuge took a pay cut, the Admin man held discussions with all the players and the salary cap was enforced. We pretty much all wanted him out as a non tryer but yes turned it around. I'm jot sure if he will stay as his contract is up and our current care taker owner won't want to pay major salary money. As for your question, Burnely without a shadow of a doubt, infrastructure, graining ground, the basis of a squad and a manager who knew the league.
Russellm
Did Cotts try and get rid of him? It sounds like he bent over backwards to keep him at Fratton Park so in a sense you are still paying high wages for a player you now want to keep. Either way, the Clarets could have signed him had they not been so toght-fisted yet again
turfmanphil
So Nugent was willing to take a pay cut at Pompey but not at Turf Moor? Get's more interesting by the minute! Think Cotts knows the Championship as well, considering he was our gaffer in the said league before leaving by mutual consent in Nov 2007
turfmanphil
I im not disagreeing with russell but i cannot recall seeing anything on nugent changng his contract for one with less pay, and im a newsnow addict, but that said hes at least scoring now so hopefully this contracted expense might be worth the money we're paying him.
ruffcider
I think we are all keyboard dyslexic today, 'go down stringer' 'graining ground' and now I chip in with 'toght-fisted'!! lol :-)
turfmanphil
Will be interesting to see what happens when his contract comes to an end. I assume his ambition will still be to play in the Prem but will any top flight clubs be interested enough based on his last two season's performance?
turfmanphil
I hope he has taken a pay cut tho, it would appear more noble considering our situation, Ive always looked at him and utaka as money grabbing *******. ILd like it if i was wrong.
ruffcider
tuft, i think hes found his level.....
ruffcider
sorry turf
ruffcider
Always liked Nugent and maybe we'll be able to take him off Pompey if/when we get back to the premiership. It'd be interesting to see how much of a pay cut he's taken, if it's true. He's certainly showing the Pompey fans that he's capable of a few goals at the moment, and I couldn't help but feel a little nostalgic when I saw his smile after scoring at the Liberty.
WelshClaret
Yep,it would be interesting to know what he was on at Pompey, what he is now on and how that differs from what we were prepared to offer. Guess we will never know though! :-(
turfmanphil
As a Pompey fan I accept your view - but Pompey will have to pay the wages of their contracted players whatever the state of the finances as they are secured under FA rules. Also, Pompey has one of the very smallest squads in the football league let alone the championship... we have only filled the bench a couple of times this season. Burnley certainly do not have that problem. And additionally to that we have players such as Nugent and Utaka we cant afford and who are out of contract in the summer.. we have a lot of loan players and are going to have to completely rebuild over the next few months. We may look good where we have a first 11 but its not all roses at Pompey.
pompeyweller
In response to Russellm - Nugent has never been a non tryer - underachiever yes, non tryer no, not at all. There is also no evidence he has taken a pay cut... but totally agree Burnley have come down stronger overall and fair play to them for that!
pompeyweller
I think your biggest asset PW will be Steve Cotterill, he relishes working with small squads with no money, that was how he made his mark at Turf Moor after Ternent left. He also has a remarkable capacity to bring players to an unfashionable club by selling it well, and we were certainly that a few seasons back and still are to some degree. He must have turned on that charm with Nugent!
turfmanphil
Well, as I pointed out on here and in various fanzine articles in recent month's, I'm in no doubt that Burnley are not as strong as Pompey either this season or last. I never quite believed all the posturing, and it's been proven right - Nugent is one thing (unavoidable) but if Pompey's plight had been critical they would never have signed Lawrence and Kitson on loan on those huge wages. They have a much better chance bouncing back than us, and their fans have had a much better time in the last 5 years too. In the end, we both went down, and they now have the better first XI to watch each week, and may bounce back. Immoral, but not illegal, and sadly, it works. **My views, in that they are probably wrong, are not shared by any other organisation I post on :-) ** sorry TMP, couldnt resist
CrosspoolClarets
Burnley couldnt afford his wages? Is that statement true? Or is it that they didnt want to afford his wages? I would suggest the latter was just as much a factor. Their are certain things I would like, but not at the price I would have to pay for them. Our club maybe wanted Nuge on X but didnt want him signifcantly enough to pay Y. As i Understand it - Pompey have very little choice but to pay his wage, he is on contract.
Claretdale
I don't fully undrerstand it, if Pompey wanted rid before Cotts arrived and Burnley were willing to pay a certain amount of dosh why didn't they come to another loan arrangement with both contributing to his contract over a season-long loan. When his contract finally run out, all parties could then have assessed the options
turfmanphil
Can I just add before Pompey fans get all irate, that fans don't hold a financial stake (usually) in the club so for them league position and team quality is all that matters - my view is based on those two things being maximised. The fact that the owners are likely in it to make as much money as they can, I see as irrelevant. It's better to have hefty gearing as a football club of this size from fans point of view, as long as some fool is good enough to lend to the club, because they won't go bust totally. At least now in football as a whole, it won't be the banks any more.
CrosspoolClarets
Exactly TMP - that's what I am saying. Pompey didn't need to loan him on a cut price loan, because they aren't in that bad a state.
CrosspoolClarets
Its just not Fair end of.
Grimsby Claret
Whichever way you look at it theres always a good word for Cott's.
AndyHo
Hypothetical question I know, but would Burnley be more stronger under Cotts than Laws and would Pompey be more stronger under Laws than Cotts? Remember according to the Accountants Report from 'Do Little & Spend Nowt' Laws came to Premier League Burnley because he had the best record in the Championship working with low budgets!! Cough! Answers on a post card
turfmanphil
Hypothetical question, if we hadn't got promoted via the play offs and a lucky penalty decision that went our way (Kalvenes) would Coyle be back in Scotland and our game at Accrington postponed yesterday...Hypothetical my ar*e......
vinrogue
Yeah but your hypotethical scenario does not include a stated fact that the club made! Brian Laws on that basis would seem the ideal candidate for Pompey!
turfmanphil
So your hypothetical question is not really hypothetical, I refer the honoured gentleman to my last sentence!
vinrogue
If laws can get 3 points out of Leeds I'll go with him, (For a while?)
AndyHo
 

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