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Date:Friday May 28 2010
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Rumour Mill-Marney In,Fletcher Out?
Strong rumours have persisted over the last couple of days that Wolves are about to sign Steven Fletcher for £7.5 million winning the battle with Birmingham to sign the 23 year old Scottish international striker.
Mick McCarthy is believed to have tried to sweeten the deal by also offering Welsh goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey and Scotland striker Chris Iwelumo on 12-month loans.
Meanwhile according to local media reports it is understood that Hull midfielder, Dean Marney is about to complete his move to Turf Moor today after finalising terms this morning
The two clubs have agreed an undisclosed fee for the 26-year-old believed to be in the region of £500,000.
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Really peed off Fletcher looks like he is going to Wolves. Dont' really want to hear about a 'good bit of business' It stinks! Sums up for me completely what being relegated means, especially when both Wolves and Burnley were promoted together and the former is now callling all the shots at our expense.
turfmanphil
I suppose Wolves did finish top in 2009 and we were many points behind them, so it was always likely they would keep the upper hand. Two of their championship team can't be bad though.
As for Fletch, few players of his class stay down, only those on massive wages (eg Newcastles). He was always going and it isn't a reflection on Flood, Kilby or Laws. Let's see what team we can wheel and deal together in the next month. P.s. Dale, get your wallet out soon, I'm about to win the bet!!!!!
CrosspoolClarets
You are indeed Mr K - If we are being offered £7.5m for Fletch, we simply have to take it. With that money we can get 2 or 3 more players of similar calibre!
Claretdale
Dont agree, Dale,sorry. IMO we dont have to do anything,all it does is cause disharmony in the team and mean we have to bring in replacements who have to gel before season kick off. The club dont have to sell they say, so show some balls and dont sell! Same old,same old! If we were bringing in players on a par with Fletcher fair enough but we aint if links are to go by
turfmanphil
You don't know what Fletcher is saying behind close doors Phil. Thats the problem. £7.5 mil is the kinda of money where you have to sit up and take notice.
skutter169
I'll pass on the option to join the inevitbaly emotional debate over Fletcher. Hennessy on loan sounds not uninteresting. I would probably prefer to buy a new keeper than loan one. But some say he's that good that he could be worth the few points that would be the difference between promotion and not. On the other hand I can't really see the benefit of Iwelumo on a loan. Maybe Wolves could throw in a good midfielder. At least with loaning from Wolves you know you're not talking about silly wages attached to loan players.
Couch Potato
As I have posted elsewhere I think it's a good deal although I wanted hennessey on a permanent basis and they could have kept Iwelumo imo, as dale say's this frees up some cash for 2 or 3 quality players, what I would be worried about is the forwards we are being linked with they are nowhere near good enough.
8clarets8
TMP - the club 'showing balls' as you have put it could also be seen as being stubborn. Every player has a price and in my opinion the price for Fletch is less than £7.5m. Ideally, I want to keep Fletch, I think he will bag 20-25 in a full Championship season - but that money would be too good to turn down ( obviously depends on how it is split, £4m + + + + may not be so enticing)
Claretdale
Yep understand where Tmp is coming from reguarding Fletcher but its down to the player if he wants to go or his agent wants a few more quid what can Bfc do but if he wants to stay its up to Kilby to say not for sale. Agree with CP lets buy a keeper than loan one better paying a few quid for a good young keeper now.
Fedupclaret
Marney has now signed for us, you can read more in the forums.
8clarets8
I don't understand this talk of 'good business' at all. Got to agree with tmp on this, if we're serious about a promotion challenge then Fletch has got to stay, never mind if we can buy 2,3 or even 4 players with the cash. He's said twice that he wants to stay, so unless that's changed then why are we even thinking of selling him? We're not in our usual situation of having to sell so it makes no sense at all to me, unless of course Fletch has been offered wages he can't refuse and we're obviously not aware of this yet. But if that's not the case, we're off our heads selling him.
welshclaret
Only thing I would mention about your comment WC is what a player says in the media and what he actually means/thinks - Are not necessarily the same thing.
Claretdale
Yes, that's obviously a fair point Dale, but why would he repeat his claim after the interest was shown by both Wolves and Birmingham ? If it does turn out to be a case of he does now want to go, for enhanced financial gain, then some compo must be due for the remaining 2 years on his contract as well as whatever transfer fee is agreed. There isn't a great deal we can do about a player wanting to leave, but I sure as hell hope this isn't a case of the club deciding to sell him for the financial gain. Very short sighted when you consider the gain from getting back into the premiership, and as I've said before, we need Fletch to be a big part of that campaign.
welshclaret
The addition of Marney to our midfield is excellent news, together with the news that Laws is doing his utmost to get Cork back for another season. But all this nonsense about Fletcher is taking the gloss off everything for me at the moment.
welshclaret
Tired? Bored? Can't wait for the World Cup to start? Fed up with all these rumours about Fletch? Don't know what to believe? I have just posted a VitalBurnley 'interview with Andy Farrell' in the thread called 'Ze Burnley Legends at Ze World Cup' in the forum section on this site. Click on 'Vital Burnley forums' at the top of this page. Then click on the section called 'World Cup and All That Jazz'. It's a laugh!
Couch Potato
Some of you need to remember one player doesn't make a team. Fletcher alongside me and my mates won't get Burnley back in the premier league (because my mates are s**t). However a TEAM of high quality players will. What I'm saying is it is better to have the strength of the team spread accross the park than focused in one position. Admittedly you still need some flair in the team but we retain that in other players and will probably introduce more with the funds received. Some of you talk as though you wouldn't accept £3 billion for Fletcher as this would not be the optimal strategy for getting back to the premier league. It is true what they say 'Every player has a price'. I also think a number of you misinterpret the statement 'Good business'. They do not refer to making a profit on players as though they are some sort of traded commodity, sold for the prupose of improving the bottom line. They refer to the fact that the benfit gained from holding the player is no longer as great as the benefit gained from holding him. As a result sell him for the greater good.
ClaretClaude
According to Reports Blackburn and Birmingham have entered the race to sign Fletcher.
8clarets8
The players are coming in , CC starting with Marney. Some of us know that one player doesn't make a team, but some of us also know that Fletcher is a proven goalscorer in the premiership and will no doubt be even better in the championship than last time around as a result of his experience in the premiership. If Laws manages to secure Cork for another season, together with a few more signings which are in the pipeline, then we're building a good team without selling the bloke who we know is going to get the goals. And if we don't get the goals, then we're going nowhere.
WelshClaret
Welsh you seem to have completely ignored Paterson and Thompson. Fletcher started 35 premier league games last season and scored 8 goals. Paterson started 17 games and scored 4 goals (He also played 6 times as a sub but these will have totalled less than two games). Paterson played a large proportion of those games on the wing which also has to be considered. Paterson was our leading scorer the season before too. Thompson also scored 4 goals last season. He did this with only 1 start and 19 sub appearences. There was only one of his sub appearences greater than 45 mins making them worth at most 9.5 games. assuming he played 45 minutes in every one of them (which clearly he didn't). This means Thompson will have had by far the best goals per minute ratio and I bet it was just about the best in the league.
ClaretClaude
No I haven't ignored them Claude, although I didn't mention them because they're with us for definate next season. I really rate Pato and agree with you that he'd have scored a lot more goals last season but for his injury. He's also brilliant out on the wing and is one of our best crossers of the ball, which is as important as scoring. I've also always been a big fan of Thommo and would liked to have seen him feature a lot more than he did last season. And that's exactly the point I'm making, with the 3 of them there's going to be an impressive goalscoring threat next season. Add Wade and Cork (if Laws is successful) to the mix and it gets potentially awesome. So it's definately not a case of one player surrounded by mediocrity, where we need to sell Fletch to bring in others. Far from it I think, and Fletch is also a young 'un who'll keep improving and up his scoring ratio as he does. Not only will he be invaluable in helping to get us back up, he'll be ready made premiership class for us when we do.
WelshClaret
It just seemed as though you made the assumption that without Fletcher we wouldn't score enough goals. For me this hasn't been the problem in either of the last two seasons. The problem lies elsewhere - specifically defence and in goal. I think we can sacrifice one of our forwards (even though he is probably the best) for investment in the team at the back and in goal. I agree entirely with the sentiments about Thompson. i was crying out for him to play, especially when the nugget made it clear he wasn't going to be here next season. I think we are starting to get a very crowded central midfield. I noticed you didn't mention McCann who I think is our best central midfield player. Added to him McDonald, Alexander, Marney, Elliot and maybe Cork, I think we have more than enough players to operate accross the centre of midfield.
ClaretClaude
However we look at it I think a deal is imminent all we can hope for is a bidding war between Wolves, Blackburn and Birmingham, at least Bolton are priced out of it. I have been trying to remember if Hibs get a percentage of any deal done maybe somebody could let us know if they do?
8clarets8
Wasn't that long ago that some of the above posters were screaming for Nugent to stay at all costs and indeed buy him. I think he is on sale for 1.5 Million plus wages and Fletcher could go for 7Million. Now if I was Fletchers agent and I thought I could get my boy into the PL with a nice big transfer fee and an increase in his wages what shall I do? What advice shall I give him? tell him to remain loyal to BFC until the deal is done and then say just like many others I have loved my time at the club. Meanwhile as an agent one would think one could afford a holiday on the deal! lol
Marney could prove to be my Nicky Butt yet. I am happy with all the transfer stuff so far, but lets face it if you don't like Laws and never will then anyone who leaves is a disaster and anyone he signs is a waste of rations. I am giving Laws the chance till Christmas and will stick by that throught thick and thin no doubt.
VinRogue
Is that the VR kiss of death for Brian? About this time last year, VR said he would say nothing critical about Susan for... was it two years, Vin? :) If Laws goes, it will be earlier than Christmas, to allow time for a replacement to find his feet before the window opened. But as to whather he will go, I have no idea, and I don't think anyone else does either. Not even Brendan and Barry.
Couch Potato
Agree VR.
Claretdale
VR have to agree with you, and also Dale. I suspect the player and agent will be negotiating a swift return to the PL. The club COULD hold out, but £7.5 million is still a lot of money to us, and could get a few really quality players in. Would, as some have said, rather sign Hennessey on than loan, and also would probably pass on Iwelumo: are they going to be THAT motivated if they come?
whentheballmoves
Yes Couch and I stuck at it, when I really wanted to slag off our away form and the way we were playing under Horse Face away from home, I bit my tongue. My support for him was declared at one year in the Prem come what may and a further season to get us promoted if we went down. He pulled out of the deal in January. Laws has until Christmas in my eyes and should we not be safely in the top 4 or 5 then he will be in the same boat as Horse Face! Pato and Thomo could be a force next season, I am not too worried about strikers if we could just sort out the midfield we will be in happy street. If Laws gets Cork I hope some on here give Laws a bit of credit, somehow I doubt it, but for me Cork would be a master signing on loan for the season...happy days all round.
VinRogue
CC, you keep driving me backwards! Started off taking about the people who will get us the goals but in response to McCann, agree with you and can't wait for him to start next season, hopefully with the knee in good nick. VR, not sure what your point is regarding 'above posters', but I've always rated Nugent as a player and still do. He's now shown a preference to play in the prem rather than stick with us regardless , so that's taken him down a peg as far as I'm concerned. And now Fletch possibly moving for financial reasons as a result of his agent speaking in his ear? What's the world coming to? Is there anyone left who believes in loyalty and moral footballing values? I used to be naieve, but thankfully I now believe anything I read in the press or on the telly. Laws will do the business by the way, he's already moving along the right lines with retentions and his first new signing. Agree with you about Cork, and I think he'll pull it off. Laws has never managed a team with such a strong squad, who don't have to sell. I fully expect us to be in the top 2 by Xmas, if we're third I'll be joining the people who obviously know more than I do and I'll be asking for Laws to change his suit for a casual outfit.
WelshClaret
It was never intended as a personal attack Welsh. I just wanted to ease some of your concerns.
I was just also wondering if I am regarded as one of those who supported the signing of Nugent at all cost? As if so this is incorrect. I said in January that I didn't think he would be a big loss if we couldn't get him again, and I'm not particularly bothered we have no chance of signing him now.
ClaretClaude
Hey CC, I never even considered anything as a personal attack ! The 'driving me backwards' was a humorous reference to moving back from forwards to midfield and eventually to the back four! You need a sense of humour on here at all times, especially with all these rumours flying about, and everyone's response to them. I heard a rumour today that we're after a double decker bus. Once that's parked in front of the goal, that's the defence sorted. The problem is that other clubs are also showing an interest . . . . . . . :-)
WelshClaret
My mistake. I don't think a double decker bus would be of much use however. We need a fleet of them...
ClaretClaude
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