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Quoting the Laws-Guerrero's Exit & Pompey Plight

Guerrero To Leave

News broke last week that Fernando Guerrero could be leaving Turf Moor after failing to breakthrough into the first team.

Fernando Guerrero was signed on loan in August 2009 from Ecuadorian club Independiente del Valle.

Former Clarets manager, Owen Coyle described the 20 year old winger as an exciting prospect and if the former Castilla (Real Madrid Reserves)player impressed during his season-long loan there would be an opportunity to buy the player permanently for a reported fee of 2 million euros.

The Ecuador international made his debut for the Clarets on the opening day of the season coming on from the bench against Stoke City at the Britannia.

Since that time though he has found opportunities limited and has only made two starts in our two Carling Cup games against Hartlepool and Barnsley.He was typically on the bench during Coyle's period at the club this season making just seven appearances in total so far in 2009-10.

With the arrival of Brian Laws, Guerrero seems to have become the forgotten man and has not been named in the eighteen since our away defeat to Reading in the FA Cup last month.

Laws has today made it plain that he does not feature in his future plans confirming that the club are now seeking to terminate his loan contract and are currently in discussion with the player's advisors.

'Fernando came here with high expectations,' Laws told the Official Burnley website. 'But we have come to the decision that he is not going to get into our side.

'We have got a big squad here and if we are going to make these decisions let's start making them and we have to move people around.'

'He's a player that needs to move on and see if there is anything out there that suits him better,' Laws added. 'He's probably a bit disappointed, as everybody is, that he has not made an impact within the football club.

'But we have to concentrate on those that will effect the team. We have got to give them every ounce of our coaching ability and mentality and those that are not getting in the team say it's time to move on.

'It's not a fall-out, it's a purely football decision.

'It won't be the first and it won't be the last. We have got a big squad and that's the nature of the beast.

'We have to make decisions for the right reasons for the football club.'

Pompey Plight

Portsmouth,the financially striken club have recently applied to be given special dispensation to be allowed to sell their players in order to raise some cash to reduce their debt and lessen the threat of facing a winding-up order at the High Court on March 1.

Brian Laws though claims it would be ridiculous to allow relegation rivals Portsmouth to sell players outside the transfer window.

Speaking to the Official Burnley website he said:

'We all work within rules and regulations.

'That is the way the Football League or Premier League has worked for hundreds of years.

'Why should we have to change that for one particular club who are finding it very difficult with their finances?

'Whilst we have every sympathy with a football club that has difficulties, the only ones they should be looking at are themselves.

'They should be looking in a mirror to find the answer. They got themselves into it, (they should) get themselves out of it.

'I would hate to think the Premier League would allow them such a ridiculous thing beyond the transfer window.

'Allowing them to get a player out of the door, get some money and finances in, and then he goes and scores a goal against us that could be the goal that takes us down - that's ridiculous.

'I would think 100 per cent of the Premier League would be saying the same, so I don't think they would get much support from the Premier League clubs.'

I think most Clarets fans would agree with those sentiments and one also wonders if Portsmouth get their wish whether that would allow them to recall David Nugent from his loan-spell at Turf Moor with a view to a quick sale. We shall have to hope the loan contract is strong enough in our favour to prevent that happening.

There is also an underlying current debate that focuses on the likely outcome of the winding-up order. If the club are officially liquidated as opposed to going into administration and suffering a nine-point reduction what would that mean for the clubs trying to avoid relegation and indeed where would that leave David Nugent?

If the club ceases to be a legal company, then presumably the loan contract is torn up and Nugent becomes a free-agent so what would happen then?

Also if the club becomes a 'dead parrot and ceases to be' will all the points involving Pompey's draws and defeats to other clubs be declared null and void and how would that effect our chances of avoiding relegation?

We could find we have three extra points after beating them on Saturday February 27th at Turf Moor only to then lose them again if Pompey face winding-up after the 1st March hearing.

Interesting times methinks and the sooner we know Pompey's fate the better!


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Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday February 19 2010

Time: 12:49PM

Your Comments

Lots of questions about Pompey! Anybody got the answers?
turfmanphil
FIFA say they may let them sell players, but ALL prem clubs have to agree, and the Beeb correspondent doesn't think the PL will give permission. Doesn't sound like Burnley are going to, for example. And why should they? It's apparently clear that if Pompey are liquidated, all games would be voided, and any points won be deducted from other clubs' totals. (How else could you do it?) Just looked at their results at http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/match/fixtures--results.aspx At the moment, our relegation rivals would lose these points: WHU 3; Bolton 3; Sunderland 2 (from 2 games); Hull 1. Deducting them would move us above WHU, Hull and Bolton, and bring Sunderland back to within a point. Intriguingly, if Pompey are liquidated (and I think it's almost a foregone conclusion now as I don't think they'd raise enough in a fire sale to make adequate difference in the judge's reckoning on 1 March, even if rules were bent in their favour) the final game in the club's history would be on the Turf. At least that might mean a full away end! For the record, I am not in any way enjoying watching Pompey die. But as Brian Laws has said, they have brought it on themselves. I was in Portsmouth and Southampton last week, and will share more of what I observed there in the next WTBM. Pompey fans. This must be hell. But I have absolutely no doubt that you will be back one day, and you will retain bragging rights over the Saints till you are.
Couch Potato
Good research CP, I know this is of particular interest to you and the way you have put it, we could be much better off if Pompey sadly go under. Would not wish that on anybody but as you say Portsmouth reap what they sow!
turfmanphil
Under law, tmp, Pompey are using other people's money, to which they have no rights, to go about their business; and they are doing it in such a way that seems to give the judge no sense that they won't carry on just running up bigger debts, while kidding themselves and everyone else that it's getting better. They are beyond needing an administator coming in to sort out the money they owe and to find a buyer for what's left. If a judge decides on liquidation, it's because they feel that letting them continue, even in administration, will just continue harming other people. I am crying inwardly for the fans whose team won the top flight in consecutive seasons soon after so many heroes had left their ports to fight and die in WW2... and who so recently did us all a favour by busting open the boring Big Four's stranglehold on our domestic competitions. Some of the people to whom they owe money, like Gaydamak, can go and stew quite successfully in their own juice. What he sewed he will reap. Who cares what happens to him? Soon now, we will see Mandaric and Redknapp back in court for their comparably petty but allegedly illegal part in it all. Who cares what happens to them? But, beyond all the dishonour amongst a cast of disgraceful cheats and carpetbaggers and others who were just naive or silly, Pompey owe you and me, the taxpayers, a lot of money too. That's the money that's used to pay people's pensions and hospital care. The taxmen and women have been put in a position that they have to send a message to all football clubs that failure to pay tax and NI and VAT is not an option, and that the keeper of the nation's purse being treated as of lower importance than overpaid players and dodgy agents and unsound owners, just isn't good enough. Who knows, maybe Pompey will wriggle out somehow? But even if FIFA and the FA and the PL do all bizarrely agree to bend the rules in Pompey's favour - and all other PL clubs' disfavour - why on earth would anyone (and apparently it would only be PL clubs who would be allowed to shop outside the window) want to give Pompey money today for players they can get on a free in March? Come to the Turf in peace, Pompey fans. We have a lot in common with our passion and determination. Leave with our respect, and the knowledge that football fans everyhwere share the pain that shameless people are putting you through. But they have got to be stopped.
Couch Potato
Regarding the squad size I would not say we had a big squad? or are we looking at it depending on which division we will be in?
8clarets8
Pompey have to remain as a club until the end of the season. Too much can get affected if they go under before then. How can we call ourselves the best league in the world if we allow a club to fall out of existence midway through a season? They need to take administration on the chin and find a way back next yeat, it's gotta be better than not existing at all.

Saying that, I liked this piece"'Allowing them to get a player out of the door, get some money and finances in, and then he goes and scores a goal against us that could be the goal that takes us down - that's ridiculous" didn't even think of that, very good.
Gunnerman
Not one of us wants to see another club go under - purely because of the fans and what they are going through but the rules must be upheld. If not then why should clubs like Burnley bother to manage their resources properly? We might as well throw all our money away and then get bailed out as well. It's like going into administration before they deducted points for it - Ipswich did it and got rid of all their debt overnight and then carried on like nothing had happened. The fans aren't without fault either - constant pressure to get in big money owners, no matter how sleazy, to buy their way to 'glory'. I remember Pompey fans holding up banners saying 'welcome Al Faizal' or whatever his bloody name is - yuk!! Liverpool fans did the same when they thought the US carpet baggers were going to buy them the title again only to find they were using the club to dump all their corporate debt. Call me old fashioned but give me Barry Kilby and his genuine love for the club any day of the week. Having lived through a few Burnley chairmen who were truly awful (including Bob Lord who thought fans were a nuisance that he could barely tolerate) I think Kilby is the best thing to happen to Burnley in a long, long time. Pompey have to work it out themselves and if they can't pay their bills then they have to go under like anyone else in the same position.
ozjean
Not sure I can add much to this thread, it is both informative and sad reading, but you have all written in a manner that remembers the family that have paid at the turnstile every week they can afford to pay, for every Pompey supporter my heart goes out to them. But as Couch and others above write if you can't pay your debts then sadly administration or liquidation are your only options.
VinRogue
Gunnerman - how can we call ourselves the best league in the world if we prop up those teams in it that break rules, break laws, fail to manage themselves in a responsible manner and cheat you and me by paying no taxes? The days for shoving it all under the rug, punishing those who manage themselves properly by propping up the lawbreakers, and smiling for the world's TV cameras are over. And it's not Pompey's or the PL's or the FA's or FIFA's choice about administration or liquidation. Through their irresponsibility and incompetence Pompey's owners and managers have betrayed the fans and surrendered their right to make their own choices. It's now the responsibility of a judge to apply the law on the matter... unless she wants to break the law too! I would have thought that Arsene would agree with me, by the way.
Couch Potato
Feel sorry for the portsmouth fans but the club can not be an exception they in fact have to be made an example of. A warning across the bows of all other clubs who chose to get into big debt.
Grimsby Claret
GC I like your thinking because if there is no example made then why didn't the likes of Southampton, Luton, Boston etc etc get exceptions....I know some were different styles of mismanagement but in essence as Couch says the owners of the club via incompetence and maybe even greed have betrayed the fans.
VinRogue
Changing the subject a little, we Have lost a very good Physiotherapist in Andy Mitchel. I work as a Sports physio in Cumbria. I rate Andy Mitchel as on of the best in football. Sad Loss
Albmaleaf claret
Well they aint gonna get their way over the transfers dispensation!The Premier League has rejected struggling Portsmouth's request for permission to sell players outside the transfer window. Fifa, which sets transfer rules, had indicated it would look favourably on Pompey, who have debts of about 60m. But the Premier League board feels it should not favour Portsmouth over other clubs who are battling relegation. Good!!!
turfmanphil
At the moment AC, Mitch is still at the club with Bolton sniffing around.Looks on the cards he will go though
turfmanphil
Gunnerman. How do you reckon David James would look wearing an Arsenal jersey in the second leg against Porto, if Almunia ain't back? He could be yours if Pompey liquidate. But if you want to try to keep them afloat, maybe you could get Sol to drop his claim for 1.7 million of image rights? Apparently Pompey's current owner is willing to buy and rent back the ground, and one of its former owners is prepared to be patient about getting his vastly over-inflated price. But I think it won't be enough.
Couch Potato
 

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