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G'Owen, G'Owen..Gone!

The Official Club website have confirmed that Owen Coyle wishes to join Bolton Wanderers.

The full statement reads:

"Owen Coyle has today reaffirmed his desire to leave Burnley Football Club and join Bolton Wanderers Football Club.Burnley Football Club will now enter discussions with Bolton Wanderers Football Club, due to the fact that compensation between the two parties has yet to be agreed.There will be no further comment at this time"

Time to move on for all Clarets fans. We have all had our chance to state our thoughts on the assumption this was going to happen so no point in repeating them.




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The Journalist

Writer: turfmanphil Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday January 5 2010

Time: 1:35PM

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Cue lots of people venting their spleens and saying, "I told you so." A bad day for the club: we all need to move on asap. Bolton away is now going to be a very unpleasant experience, I fear. I think I will take some time off from typing on messageboards for a bit, as I don't want to get involved in arguments. Let's hope we get an even better manager next who keeps us up...and fast!
whentheballmoves
Stuck indoors on the penultimate day of my Christmas break waiting for a delivery and this happens. The only bonus is that I can watch Sky Sports News and that rather attractive young lady presenter who, at least, has delivered the sad news nicely. Thoughts turn to the future now and looking at the weather at TM Saturday's game must be in doubt - does that give the club a few extra days to get a decent replacement in ?
RickersTwickers
Great start to 2010, thanks Owen! You are right about the Bolton game,just got tickets for that one, not sure I am going to be able to stomach seeing Coyle in a Bolton track suit
turfmanphil
stupid move, really silly of him, should have seen a full season in the league with you guys. Bolton is a major headache for any manager after the over achieving that Big Sam did, can't understand this move, especially as they are set up for a long ball physical game which is a game Owen doesn't seem to like or play? Bad luck guys, hope you get a suitable replacement.
The Fear
He really has left us in it, the biggest problem is he has gone in January in the middle of the window. Were not going to be abe to sign any players now as they won't come until we have a manager. It really has left us S*** Creek! I am gutted, gutted. If he'd gone to a bigger club I wouldn't have been upset but Bolton. Here's hoping they go down.
skutter169
Sad to hear this. The least Owen Coyle owed Burnley was the rest of this season. Hope you can now move on, get the right man in to keep you up. Hope also that our mighty Gunners stick the boot into Bolton tomorrow (if it goes ahead that is!) Shocking treatment and disgraceful timing. Good luck Clarets!
julieloveshenry4ever
Not sure there are many on here who will say I told you so, many on here seemed to fear this news, me for one. Bloody hell I loved that man for what he did for BFC, for me it is a sad day simply because I remember what I thought when the Celtic job came up, good luck to him if he decides to better himself and go to his boyhood heros. The Bolton job just leaves my heart wanting him and Bolton to be relegated and below us. Its just what my heart is telling me at the moment without listening to ALL sides of this story.
VinRogue
Thanks for your kind thoughts TF. And I wish you a happy new year, and the Villa when they eventually get to play B*******n. Meanwhile, this not a happy moment. But as I have already posted, we have lots of leaders in the club, who will all now be focussed on proving that we are capable of staying in the PL. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
Couch Potato
Gents, got to say I'd much rather see Burnley than Bolton in the premier league. Gutted for you, why would he want to go to that bunch of hoofing cloggers? Can't work it out. Let's hope they plumet to the championship.
Gunnerman
I feel totally gutted about this but I'm determined to stay positive about our fantastic football club. OC did us proud during his term of office but now he's gone & I'm determined to get over it (believe me I could vent my spleen with the best of 'em). Next challenge Stoke. C'MON BURNLEY! C'MON BURNLEY! C'MON BURNLEY!
Brompton Claret
Just to be clear I do thank Coyle for what he has done for this club I really do. I think I speak for a fair few that he was our hero, for taking our club to the Premier League. I wish him all the best, but I'm a football fan and I want my club to stay up and Bolton to go down.
skutter169
Agree re relegation, skutter. Don't get me wrong, I'm genuinely upset and gutted he's left: I am just trying to take a step back from it, and not let if affect my day TOO much!
whentheballmoves
Good luck mate, its ruined my Month! And it's me birthday on sat!!!!! Happy Birthday! Maybe we can sign a new manager for me, Hughes would be great but don't think we can afford him. I personally would like Steve Coppell.
skutter169
Sorry guys and gals I'm cying my heart out here, I just feel like a kid who has just found out that....well can't put it incase any kids are reading this. Its also like a love affair has ended, so I will just go and listen to sad songs and cry in a corner.
sheclaret
Sounds like this may remain in the hands of lawyers for a while yet. We're talking about big enough sums of money that I don't think either side will want to back down quickly, and I would back Kilby, Flood and Fletch to reckon they've got ample strength in the club to move forwards positively, albeit with some difficulty in the transfer and loan markets. That bit clearly could hurt us; and they will therefore feel some pressure to act fast. But in my mind, Bolton now need Coyle more than we need to make a rapid appointment from outside. It's doubtful we'll hear anything from anyone till the particulars of Coyle's exit are sorted. When they are, I suspect all Clarets need to steel ourselves for the possibility of some less than positive comments aimed in our direction. This is usually what happens when a relationship breaks down acrimoniously. Maybe this isn't acrimonious, but it has that look at the moment. We need to remember that comments made at such times tell us more about who's making them than about who they're aimed at. These late flurries apart, Owen Coyle is now history as far as Burnley Football Club is concerned. The Coyle chapter in our history books will be bright, but short, and end with a fizzle and some questions. Some of those will be about what it is that makes Coyle want to keep on moving on, and at least some will probably conclude that it's not a totally positive part of his make-up. I nevertheless thank him for what he has done alongside so many others who have worked their socks off and played their hearts out these last two years. We were a strong club before he arrived. We were a strong club while he was here. We are a strong club now. As throughout our history there will be ups and downs. But I look forward to the future with pride and determination, and I am quite sure that is what Barry Kilby is doing too. Up the Clarets! I just wish I could be on the Turf to show my support against Stoke.
Couch Potato
Just checked the odds and Mickey Phelan is now favourite to take the job at Turf Moor. Could the feeling be that Sir Alex will step down at the end of this season leaving Phelan with no guaranteed involvement at United. Wouldn't be against his appointment and he was a decent player who I followed from Burnley to Norwich in the mid-eighties but surely he would be a big gamble ?
RickersTwickers
I don't fancy Mick Phelan it wpuld be a big gamble for me. But perhaps would help with getting kids from Man Utd.
skutter169
I suspect we will go for the cheapest option and plump for a manager from the lower leagues where a £14 million budget will seem like a godsend! I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Steve Davis as caretaker manager with the club seeing how things go before plunging for a new guy
turfmanphil
Unbelievable move, lost some respect for him not seeing it out at Burnley. Also, there are rumours in South Wales that Dave Jones and Paolo Sousa are possible contenders....
bluebirdshroom
I am still of the opinion Steve Davis and Grezza as caretakers until the end of the season, then you can take time to appoint for the job in hand.
VinRogue
One of the contenders for the Preston job has withdrawn his application - not sure who, but could that be significant ? Still think we should push the boat out and go for Keegan.
RickersTwickers
Id laugh if it was Steve Cotterill!!
turfmanphil
Thought Owen Coyle cared about Burnley football club evidently not. Blokes at work who support other clubs cant understand his reasoning its a sidewords move that has done his reputation no good what so ever.
Grimsby Claret
Lets hope we give Bolton a right thrashing when we play them in a couple of week and we can start picking up points on the road. Same here GC people I have spoken to who support other clubs can't seem to understand it! Its a funny old game!
sheclaret
Thank you for everything you have done Owen. You have taken Burnley to a place I never thought I would see us and you have done it in style. Without doubt, you have left Burnley in a much better position than which you found it! I will always be grateful for that. However, Burnley is bigger than any one person and we must now move on from the body blow and concentrate on our survival battle. As for 'fears' of appointing the cheap option as our next manager. Owen didnt work out to badly and I am sure he wasnt a million miles away from being the cheapest option. Trust the board - like us, they do have the best interests of the club at the forefront of their mind!
Claretdale
To add - I cannot overly understand why he has gone to Bolton and think the timing is pretty dreadful. But timing is something we cannot always control. Their will be lots of thoughts of ' We got no chance with Owen', which I admit to having myself over the weekend. These thoughts must be banished. We can stay up without Owen!
Claretdale
I have been meaning to sign up to Vital for ages now so i could comment on the articles you produce at Vital Burnley and now seems like a suitable time. I am gutted Coyle is going but as Couch Potato said he is now part of our history and so we must look to the future. The club is always more important than the man and you never know, we may get a better manager than Coyle. My personal choice would be Curbishley as I think he did a fantastic job at both Charlton and West Ham and fairly modest budgets.
ClaretClaude
Everything? You thanking him for leaving us in the ***** then? ;-) I don't necessarily think cheap equals disaster regarding a new manager from the lower leagues but he will be unproven and a risk at this stage. I would rather they paid more and got a manager with Prem League experience used to low budgets and relegation scraps
turfmanphil
Welcome Claude and thanks for your contribution to the debate
turfmanphil
I think you have to thank him Phil for taking us to where we are now as I don't think Cotteril could have done that. I then think you have to have the whole debate about how you feel at this moment in time....to some its upset, others betrayed and upset and some are just ready to move on. I am trying to think of the future for us, we have the 2nd half of the season to stay in this league, we have players a plenty, Fletcher, Pato, JayRod, Thomo and Robbie up front and maybe Nugent on loan. We have Eagles, McCann, McDonald, Bikey, Guerrero and Wade and we have Grezza to take pens. Lets try and be positive as soon as possible. p.s. welcome ClaretClaude
VinRogue
Welcome claude. I would want to pay a bit for a manager. I like Steve Davis but still think its too soon. I Don't think Curbishley would come up north, I would really like Steve Coppell I know I keep saying it, but he's experienced Bikey obviously got on with him and I think he would provide a bit of steel.
skutter169
Its an interesting thought TMP about who we go for next. I would probably happier with Darren Ferguson who is unproven rather than Peter Reid who has 'been there done it'. I really dont know who we should go for. If he would come north and take the job - It would be Curbishley!
Claretdale
Welcome ClaretClaude, what a time to join us eh? At the moment I can't think of who I want only who I don't and I have made that clear in another post.
sheclaret
Coppell might be a good bet, Bikey would like that too probably. Neil Warnock? He certainly likes attacking
turfmanphil
WANTED! Tight manager who shares our love of attacking football. Must like cold weather and warm, passionate people. Can go away after two years. As long as we are in Europe, we don't care.
Couch Potato
..and when they write out his contract they may as well use invisible ink on paper that will self-destruct in 30 seconds! Yep Mission Impossible!!
turfmanphil
Dare to dream tmp!
Couch Potato
With regards to Coppell, I think he is hesitant to come north and his only Northern club in management has been City ( for about 30 days) - I may be wrong though. If he is willing though - I do think this would be a good appointment.
claretdale
Latest rumour-Blackpool boss Ian Holloway
turfmanphil
There will be a lot interested. What about Sean O'Driscoll? Lee Clark? Paul Lambert? Paul Jewell was one of my first ideas, but I have been told his ego is as big as his frame!
whentheballmoves
There are some subtle hints in Flood's book too that both Jewell and Reid are to say the least a little quirky! Flood seemed fairly dismissive of their qualities
turfmanphil
Hey Couch Potato- "Wanted- Tight Manager who shares our love of attacking fotball..." Not so sure about the liking cold weather bit, but it sounds like you want an Arsene Wenger there! Sorry but he's a Gooner for life, even Real Madrid couldn't buy him! Seriously though, Steve Coppell might be a go-er for Burnley? Reading came within a whisker of a UEFA Cup spot in their first year up.
julieloveshenry4ever
I really wouldn't be keen on Reid who's record, despite some success with Sunderland, is less than impressive. Looking at the poll Jewell is a runaway favourite; perhaps because his managerial record reads hit, miss, hit, miss... I stated earlier that my choice would be Curbishley, but after that I think Ferguson would be a good appointment. I thought about Phelan, and maybe he would be a good manager, but then I remembered other United assistants who went on to manage their own teams: Kidd, Queiroz and Mclaren. Scary Stuff! What does anybody think about John Hughes?
ClaretClaude
Think we should all plump for two names each - i ) who would we like to see appointed and ii ) who do we think will actually get the job. Perhaps Phil can use it as an opportunity to get rid of another of Rev Wiseman's books !! My answers are Keegan and Ferguson D.
RickersTwickers
HUghes is the Hibs manager, right? Might not be a bad shout...
whentheballmoves
Julie! Would your man Thierry like to become our player-manager? Good luck against B****n tomorrow. We'll distract them by holding Coy-Boy ransom till they cough up the money, while you stick the ball in the net till they cry out for mercy.
Couch Potato
Well it's happened. I can't wait to see (hear) Owen's reasons for his move. I'd like to say thanks to him for getting us to Nirvana but I don't understand the move and that's what makes me think there must be more to this than meets the eye. As for managers...I'd go for Coppell or at a push Simon Grayson.
Billy Hamiltons Boot
gotta say I'm shocked! Turned down Celtic to go to a no-mark club like Bolton!
merlin
We are a bit surprised ourselves Merlin
claretdale
I am told Steve Davis might be off now as well.just gets better and better doesn't it (NOT!!)
turfmanphil
Steve Davis might go? Surely not! I really thought he did have Burnley at heart.
ClaretClaude
Who told you, tmp?
Couch Potato
Please not Steve Davis, He's my favourite Burnley player!! He was captain when I was a kid a rock at centre back, I can remember meeting him outside Chesterfields stadium, when I was about 11! I'd be more heartbroken over Davis then coyle!
skutter169
Ferguson has gone to PNE, it says on BBC...
whentheballmoves
On SSN it says their sources understand that Bolton are a long way from meeting our compenstation claims. Nothing on SSN about PNE and Ferguson.
skutter169
I don't think the fee should be up for discussion. If he has a release clause in the region of 3.6m as reported, then that is what they pay.
ClaretClaude
I also think this should have been sorted long before now. What happens if we don't agree a fee? That would be a mess.
ClaretClaude
I'm sure that they will agree a fee in then end. Coyle cannot stay now. However we should hold out for the 3.6mill and I think our board will. If they can't afford that, then maybe the grass isn't greener eh Owen?
skutter169
Hold out as long as you want Barry Kilby talk it over with Brendan for a day or two, because until you agree he can't start work anywhere near Bolton as he still works for us. Meanwhile get plan A and B in place for the moment you take the Bolton cash and whatever was planned for the january sales make sure we get them now.
VinRogue
Interesting, Coyle could be in limbo for some time. Still our manager but not allowed anywhere near our dugout and unable to start rescuing Bolton and failing. Drag it out as long as you can lads, they deserve nothing from us and they are competiting with us to survive the drop so stuff 'em
turfmanphil
LOL , 'I would never want a manager like Mick McCarthy' - Bahahahaha! Least he wants to be with us :D LOL LOL LOL
PremiershipWolf
Stop being childish PW
turfmanphil
Given that OC would appear to have breached his contract, presumably we don't have to pay him, but he can't work anywhere else till he or someone else buys him out. Not sure. Given that he was only allowed to talk with Gartside on the understanding that Bolton would pay the 3.6, then the breach would seem clear, plus Bolton may have broken league and FA rules.
Couch Potato
Coyle on Gardening Leave. Obviously the Garden of Gethsemane;very fitting for a Judas!
turfmanphil
I would go for a Coppell or Curbishley - we're not in the CCC now. Young managers may struggle to hack it (Martinez case in point). Some suggest there is more to the departure and I agree, but we seem to know most things (Board getting the loans paid back, the loan with near 200% return, the budget OC had and the possible rumoured Flood back seat). I don't see what else there could be that OC didn't know in June. I think he'd have jumped ship anyway to any Prem team, even Rovers!! The cynic would say Celtic was his way to get a release clause engineered into the contract - we see the cost of that now.
CrosspoolClarets
As this has pogessed I also think there is moe o it than meets the eye. As for who I'd like to get the job theres Jewell, dare I say it Irvine!! to be honest I can't really think straight at the moment. As for the rumour about Stevie D I hope thats all it is a rumour. [Edited by turfmanphil]
sheclaret
Sorry SC I have to be careful about the brothel thing,libel bollox and all that
turfmanphil
Lol no pobs TMP I actually thought that when I wote it!!
sheclaret
On the more than meets the eye... I dare say that things will get said, but I expect they are things that were either already out in the open (as Crosspool has listed, plus frustration at not being able to pay Nugent's full wages) plus those we can expect to be coming in the normal course of a Burnley winter (discussions over which players coming up for end of contract we can keep; maybe an unsettled player or two having offers dangled in front of them). Maybe also Coyle knew that, once called a 'god', a fall from grace would be rapid once it began; and many of us had started to question his stubbornness at not rotating players. Perhaps the flip-side of his high-energy up-beat style is that he burns out... and his track record does not include any long stays anywhere that I can recall. Maybe, as happened with Stevie C, he began to wonder whether some of the directors had begun to wonder whether he was possibly showing signs of running out of ideas. Maybe, as a young manager who has thus far had constant success, his bravura exterior covers over a lack of an inner strength to feel he is coping when things seem to be standing still. We will know a little bit more about him when we see how he handles himself at his next press conferences; and rather more if he doesn't bring Bolton some quick success, he finds out that the budget there is not all he'd hoped for, and the fans do a Megson on him. Did he run to a warm welcome when things began to get just a little bit tough? Or has he shown bravery in putting his career on the line? Next!
Couch Potato
Just wanted to say - 69 replies? Wahey! ;) On a more serious not, can someone fill me in a bit more on this 200% repayment on a loan situation? That should be a question being asked by fans at the moment: who was it, and why was it agreed? Was it in the last accounts, or is it to come?
whentheballmoves
Good question. All you lot stuck at home need to keep your mind's sharp. So here's another one: after how many years does a loan earning 10% annual interest get repaid at 200%?
Couch Potato
Amazing how a crisis bolsters interest in the site. Have to say the activity has gone though the roof and thanks to everyone involved. Welcome especially to all newbies (15 in one day!).
turfmanphil
WTBM - all I know is that there was a strong rumour of a benefactor who helped keep us afloat at the end of last season (thank you) but who more or less doubled their money in six months. CP - re loan question. Assuming the question relates to Boltons 10% benefactor loan not our double your money one. Answer - never. The 10% is like an interest only mortage in all probability (an interest rate we may all have to get used to in the next year or two :-))
CrosspoolClarets
Can we spend the £3.5 million we get from OC to buy the ground back NOW, please, Mr's Kilby/Flood? Thanks
whentheballmoves
Any thoughts?
whentheballmoves
Whilst wishing to buy back the ground,Barnsey, I cant help thinking that money would be better spent now on new players to give us a better chance of staying up. If we achieve that, the financial rewards should make it easier to then buy back the Turf anyway. Whatever happens in better not go into the 'Im pleading Poverty,We aint going into debt' pot
turfmanphil
Expected him to stay! Good luck for the rest of the season... Darren Ferguson would have been a great appointment but he's taken now!
Matt_Us
£5 mill isn't it to buy back the ground? I would rather spend it on players at the minute and then if we stay up with the new players, we can but it back next year with PL money. Up the clarets!
skutter169
Bit of news, someone has just sent a text saying Someone has spraypainted all of OCs face out on the big board at the turf and wrote *****er. A bit harsh but.............
sheclaret
I was mildly amused by the wag on Facebook last night who said you could now buy masks of Coyle at the club shop with his face on both sides,appropriate of course for someone who is two-faced!
turfmanphil
OK, just a thought re. buying back of ground.
whentheballmoves
Well it would certainly be my second choice, Barnsey. Just hope it goes into something tangible at least, and we see what we are getting for the money
turfmanphil
I do like the idea of buying back the ground and it would be high on my list of priorities. If we stay up I would definatley do it. I think we should buy Nugent with money!
skutter169
A big mistake is being made by Owen, those Trotter fans are so fickle i feel it is all going to end in tears for him. There are a few good candidates for your vacancy and i hope you pick wisely....All the best...
quietman
Super Mick McCarthy
PremiershipWolf
Aye we will Quietman and we will be more determined than ever now to make sure them without morals&professionalism are the ones relegated and not us,so that's goodbye to Rovers, Wolves and Bolton ! Hooray. Been cheered up today with news that Kilby/Flood are aiming to have a manager in place within two weeks,if its Phelan or Coppell I will be over the moon and some of t'others aint bad either
turfmanphil
Sad... A silly, silly move from Coyle.
JT_daniel
 

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